Kind of surprised actually, but I understand where there attitude comes from always being the world's police force and floor mat upon return... I would hope to guess at a point it would change if needed to stop the advance into other nations including our own..
https://screen.yahoo.com/troops-think-deployment-fight-isis-145113667.html
My nephew is being deployed to Iraq in the next few weeks.....wouldn't bother as much if we were sending a serious number of troops but 500 isn't enough to do anything but make targets out of them....pray for his safe return to the US.
Quote from: Backwards K on September 30, 2014, 11:57:43 AM
Kind of surprised actually, but I understand where there attitude comes from always being the world's police force and floor mat upon return... I would hope to guess at a point it would change if needed to stop the advance into other nations including our own..
https://screen.yahoo.com/troops-think-deployment-fight-isis-145113667.html
It does not surprise me at all as I felt the same way about Viet Nam. It was none of our business & the only people that gave a crap were the wealthy as at the time about 10% of the people held about 90% of the nation's wealth & they didn't want to lose it. The "regular people (majority)" didn't give a crap who ran the country. But when the commander in Chief tells you to go, you go.
Quote from: laidback on September 30, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
It does not surprise me at all as I felt the same way about Viet Nam. It was none of our business & the only people that gave a crap were the wealthy as at the time about 10% of the people held about 90% of the nation's wealth & they didn't want to lose it. The "regular people (majority)" didn't give a crap who ran the country. But when the commander in Chief tells you to go, you go.
LB ... it was 20/80 in the 60's same as it is today ...
... the other untruth about Vietnam vets was age and education as well as socio-economic background.
Vietnam veterans were above average in all aspects and a higher percentage came from upper middle class and wealthy than other economic classes per capita including draftees ...
Quote from: bksflddan on September 30, 2014, 02:37:50 PM
LB ... it was 20/80 in the 60's same as it is today ...
... the other untruth about Vietnam vets was age and education as well as socio-economic background. Vietnam veterans were above average in all aspects and a higher percentage came from upper middle class and wealthy than other economic classes per capita including draftees ...
20/80, 10/90 pretty much the same. The point is, only about 20% of the people wanted us there. I once did some research on the legality of us being there. The Kennedy & Johnson administrations used the SEATO pact as an excuse to go to VN. We had no business being there. The Cold War was in full bloom & everyone was so scared of Communism. Guess what, they are now a Communist Nation & there are no problems - yet. I suspect the above average aspects of those vets were the result of an aggressive draft. But as I said before, as a career military man, I went where & when I was ordered to go. I want to add that being a Navy man on the ground "in country" I gained a whole, whole bunch of respect for our Marine & Army troops. Those people had large brass balls & I really respect them.
Quote from: laidback on September 30, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
20/80, 10/90 pretty much the same. The point is, only about 20% of the people wanted us there. I once did some research on the legality of us being there. The Kennedy & Johnson administrations used the SEATO pact as an excuse to go to VN. We had no business being there. The Cold War was in full bloom & everyone was so scared of Communism. Guess what, they are now a Communist Nation & there are no problems - yet. I suspect the above average aspects of those vets were the result of an aggressive draft. But as I said before, as a career military man, I went where & when I was ordered to go. I want to add that being a Navy man on the ground "in country" I gained a whole, whole bunch of respect for our Marine & Army troops. Those people had large brass balls & I really respect them.
March~June 1960 at MCRD San Diego our DI's emphasized some of us would experience combat in Indochina. Vietnamese Marines were undergoing NCO and other training schools there as well.
This was before the Kennedy/Johnson era's ...
Gulf of Tonkin incident was a blatant lie by Johnson so he and his cronies could get richer ...
The 20/80 model has existed for a very, very long time. Works with commercial real estate, real property, and farms as well. Simple fact of life, 20% are risk takers 80% aren't ...
BTW I retired 1 January 1995 ...
My cousin is retired Navy E-9, another Army SpFrc 1stSgt, three others Army Col. all WestPoint ...
I am the youngest of five brothers who entered the Marine Corps ...
Quote from: bksflddan on September 30, 2014, 08:22:52 PM
March~June 1960 at MCRD San Diego our DI's emphasized some of us would experience combat in Indochina. Vietnamese Marines were undergoing NCO and other training schools there as well.
This was before the Kennedy/Johnson era's ...
Gulf of Tonkin incident was a blatant lie by Johnson so he and his cronies could get richer ...
The 20/80 model has existed for a very, very long time. Works with commercial real estate, real property, and farms as well. Simple fact of life, 20% are risk takers 80% aren't ...
BTW I retired 1 January 1995 ...
My cousin is retired Navy E-9, another Army SpFrc 1stSgt, three others Army Col. all WestPoint ...
I am the youngest of five brothers who entered the Marine Corps ...
You have my greatest respect. I and my 4 brothers were all in the Navy. I retired in 1976. I was in Viet Nam in 67, 68 & the first part of 69. We had aircraft flying out of Saigon & Cam Ranh & I was attached to the Saigon ground support detachment. We were doing electronic surveillance. Being an Aviation Electronics Technician I was "loaned out" on occasion & that's when I learned to really respect the Army & Marines. Also being regular Navy I had zero combat training. It was OJT. Crapping my drawers 24/7 & the Army & Marines going about their business like nothing was going on. I salute you guys.
God Bless Both You Gentlemen :u: :u: :u: :u:
Lots of military men and women in our family across all the branches of the service.....career men, such you two and my uncle, however are cut of a different cloth and we are damn lucky to have had you....
Quote from: Just_A_Fan on October 01, 2014, 04:01:23 PM
God Bless Both You Gentlemen :u: :u: :u: :u:
Lots of military men and women in our family across all the branches of the service.....career men, such you two and my uncle, however are cut of a different cloth and we are damn lucky to have had you....
Thank you! It was an honor to serve ...
I've said it before, "I'm no hero, but I served with a bunch of 'em"
Quote from: bksflddan on October 01, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
Thank you! It was an honor to serve ...
I've said it before, "I'm no hero, but I served with a bunch of 'em"
Awesome. I'd like my grandson to meet guys like you. That's pretty much the highest compliment I can give.
Quote from: bksflddan on October 01, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
Thank you! It was an honor to serve ...
I've said it before, "I'm no hero, but I served with a bunch of 'em"
I couldn't have said it any better, but thanks guys. It was my privilege to serve our country.