Presidential Race

[BallGuy]

Just curious, as I've talked to my friends. As a 30 something, I'm not sure it's ever been this underwhelming of a race. Is anyone here actually excited for any of the candidates (Trump v Biden, as no one has a real shot outside of them).

[BallGuy]

[Coastfan]

Bummed...and as someone who appreciates dark humor, this makes me laugh at the same time. I am trying to remain hopeful for our future...I am trying :)

[Coastfan]

[izne1home]

It's a conundrum. Voters are generally unimpressed with either candidate, yet, it's the voters who are unwilling to fix it.   

Ultimately, this system failure is on us. Our country has blue-screened and we need a hard reboot.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  Not that my side would ever use them, but just knowing we have an armed citizenry tends to keep people honest.  Both domestic and abroad. 

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

This comes down to the lesser of two evils. The Reagan Republican party no longer exists. 
So pick the candidate or party that will screw you less. Vote for the party that will use more lube.
We, the people, are the problem. 300 million Americans and these two morons are the best we got? We are in trouble no matter who wins.

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

We, the people, are the problem. 300 million Americans and these two morons are the best we got? We are in trouble no matter who wins.

Exactly.  (This new Youtube insert function is pretty neat...)

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

It's a conundrum. Voters are generally unimpressed with either candidate, yet, it's the voters who are unwilling to fix it. 

Ultimately, this system failure is on us. Our country has blue-screened and we need a hard reboot.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  Not that my side would ever use them, but just knowing we have an armed citizenry tends to keep people honest.  Both domestic and abroad.

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

[Timmy Winn]

[Cristobal]

Can't vote for either candidate in good faith, a Felon and a Dementia case. If you cant pass a driving exam you cant be President!

[Cristobal]

[eylchamps]

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

I laugh when I hear all these Trumptards talk about riots, civil war and chaos if their orange clown felon president does not win. Please tell us how this will happen and be specific
On the other side, Trump has been sounding more and more like a dictator ready to get his revenge if he wins. So, I would think Trump would be the moron to use his military power on the people. I can see him ordering to kill all us w#tbacks that cross the rio or support immigration. His minions will cheer him on. Texas is already pulling us over because we look illegal. Jim Crow laws are great.

Can't vote for either candidate in good faith, a Felon and a Dementia case. If you cant pass a driving exam you cant be President!

Anyone with an ounce of morals and dignity will not vote for either. If you are conservative, you should not vote for either. If you are a God fearing person, most definitely not vote for either.

Third party vote for me.

[eylchamps]

[Timmy Winn]

I laugh when I hear all these Trumptards talk about riots, civil war and chaos if their orange clown felon president does not win. Please tell us how this will happen and be specific
On the other side, Trump has been sounding more and more like a dictator ready to get his revenge if he wins. So, I would think Trump would be the moron to use his military power on the people. I can see him ordering to kill all us w#tbacks that cross the rio or support immigration. His minions will cheer him on. Texas is already pulling us over because we look illegal. Jim Crow laws are great.

Anyone with an ounce of morals and dignity will not vote for either. If you are conservative, you should not vote for either. If you are a God fearing person, most definitely not vote for either.

Third party vote for me.

Yeah. I quit coming into this sub forum because I find the opinions frightening. A bunch of boomer keyboard warriors threatening another insurrection if Trump is not elected. What happened to our boomers, when did they become such fearful, xenophobic babies? Back to the baseball sub for me. You guys can toil in fear and ignorance without me. 

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

Just chumming the water to generate some dialog. Anyone thinking I'm a "Trumptard" needs to pay more attention.  Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or suggest the far right would take to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing.  Not their style...   

But since I mentioned it, for all the faults of the 2nd Amendment, and there are plenty, do you think there are any mitigating factors of having so many people armed?  Does it ever come into consideration when discussing civil unrest and deep divisions? 

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

Just chumming the water to generate some dialog. Anyone thinking I'm a "Trumptard" needs to pay more attention.  Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or suggest the far right would take to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing.  Not their style...

But since I mentioned it, for all the faults of the 2nd Amendment, and there are plenty, do you think there are any mitigating factors of having so many people armed?  Does it ever come into consideration when discussing civil unrest and deep divisions? 

That's exactly what they did the last time trump lost. Now that that can of worms has been opened you can't go around implying something and then say 'that's not their style'. They've proven it IS their style. There are better ways to drum up dialogue without sacrificing the integrity of your message. You can't imply one thing but deny it when called on it. You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

First, from a style standpoint, I wouldn't describe the insurrection as taking "to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing..."

I was thinking more along these lines:

Second, you are assuming my message had integrity to lose.  I gave up on that about 15,000 posts ago.   
 

[izne1home]

[CWClassof2007]

That's exactly what they did the last time trump lost. Now that that can of worms has been opened you can't go around implying something and then say 'that's not their style'. They've proven it IS their style. There are better ways to drum up dialogue without sacrificing the integrity of your message. You can't imply one thing but deny it when called on it. You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

I'd rather have another "insurrection" than have what happened after George Floyd. I'm not talking about the people who were peaceful protesting trying to make a change. I'm talking about people like BLM & Antifa who saw an opportunity & pounced. The far right & far left are just different sides of the same coin. It's why we have two crapty options. Nothing will change either way.

[CWClassof2007]

[Timmy Winn]

I'd rather have another "insurrection" than have what happened after George Floyd. I'm not talking about the people who were peaceful protesting trying to make a change. I'm talking about people like BLM & Antifa who saw an opportunity & pounced. The far right & far left are just different sides of the same coin. It's why we have two crapty options. Nothing will change either way.

Funny thing about both of the groups you mentioned, you haven't heard a peep from them since trump left office. They were opposition groups railing against perceived racism and attempted  fascism. I don't necessarily agree with their actions or approach but they were born out of resistance. Whereas the proud boys, QAnon and similar ilk were out there on the offensive, when their guy was in charge, claiming that the white race is being replaced by minorities and propagating crazy theory after crazy theory. One is a response the other is proactive. Do you see the difference?

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

Funny thing about both of the groups you mentioned, you haven't heard a peep from them since trump left office. They were opposition groups railing against perceived racism and attempted  fascism. I don't necessarily agree with their actions or approach but they were born out of resistance. Whereas the proud boys, QAnon and similar ilk were out there on the offensive, when their guy was in charge, claiming that the white race is being replaced by minorities and propagating crazy theory after crazy theory. One is a response the other is proactive. Do you see the difference?

We'd all be better off without BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys, QAnon...  I think they are all so far off base there's nothing to be gained by trying to compare or legitimize one over the other. 

As for the timing, I think both extremes wound each other up.  You could equally say that since BLM and Antifa have gone silent, the Proud Boys and QAnon have nothing to respond to.  All cause and effect. 

Beyond that, it might just be a question of which end of the pipe you're looking through. It's all based on perceived discrimination and self-preservation and what your source of 'truth' happens to be. 

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

We'd all be better off without BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys, QAnon...  I think they are all so far off base there's nothing to be gained by trying to compare or legitimize one over the other. 

As for the timing, I think both extremes wound each other up.  You could equally say that since BLM and Antifa have gone silent, the Proud Boys and QAnon have nothing to respond to.  All cause and effect. 

Beyond that, it might just be a question of which end of the pipe you're looking through. It's all based on perceived discrimination and self-preservation and what your source of 'truth' happens to be. 

I'll play along. BLM was born out of the perceived need to hold law enforcement accountable for their actions towards African Americans. Antifa literally means Anti Fasicsts. What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon? I'm aware I'm talking to people that put insurrection in quotes like it's a fallacy that didn't happen and would be ok with another mob trying to violently overthrow our democratic process. So I don't expect much.

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon?

My best guess would be intolerance, exacerbated by ancestral inbreeding. 

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon? 

The worship to one man's populist slogans and punch lines.

And now that the orange clown has taken over the RNC, GOP is enslaved to him. Can someone please enlighten us on how this is great for the party?

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

Can someone please enlighten us on how this is great for the party?

Most conservatives are somewhere between unhappy and enraged with the direction of our country, watching what they see as a feeble angry old man, with his cadre of perverts and socialists, usher in the erosion of our core values.  I don't think they are making long-range strategic plans with candidates to help the party.

It looks more like they are trying to survive and Honest Don has managed to sell himself as the only strongman capable of squashing the enemy and setting our country right again, along with the rest of the world (Iran and Moscow). 

The GOP believes we need a hero.  Come to think of it, Trump has a lot in common with Bruce Wayne.  One way or the other, we only have ourselves to blame.

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

Most conservatives are somewhere between unhappy and enraged with the direction of our country, watching what they see as a feeble angry old man, with his cadre of perverts and socialists, usher in the erosion of our core values.  I don't think they are making long-range strategic plans with candidates to help the party.

It looks more like they are trying to survive and Trump has managed to sell himself as the only strongman capable of squashing the enemy and setting our country right again, along with the rest of the world (Iran and Moscow). 

The GOP believes we need a hero.  Come to think of it, Trump has a lot in common with Bruce Wayne.  One way or the other, we only have ourselves to blame.

Man the way you guys on the right romanticize Trump and now you turn him into Batman? You are HILARIOUS. At least I am able to see Biden for what he is. GOP is so cute that it is a clamoring for a superhero. Unfortunately this is the real world and those guy don't exist. I'm more interested in a person with moderate positions, which Biden pretty much has been. He's kept the extreme left (AOC and her ilk) on the back burner...when's the last time you heard anything from her? Trump on the other hand emboldened the extreme right and created unprecedented divide (you know the 'insurrection' and election fraud claims). GOP is looking for 'daddy' in every possible way. Rule me Trump!

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

Man the way you guys on the right romanticize Trump and now you turn him into Batman? You are HILARIOUS. At least I am able to see Biden for what he is. GOP is so cute that it is a clamoring for a superhero. Unfortunately this is the real world and those guy don't exist. I'm more interested in a person with moderate positions, which Biden pretty much has been. He's kept the extreme left (AOC and her ilk) on the back burner...when's the last time you heard anything from her? Trump on the other hand emboldened the extreme right and created unprecedented divide (you know the 'insurrection' and election fraud claims). GOP is looking for 'daddy' in every possible way. Rule me Trump!

Do you think I am speaking about myself when describing conservatives?  I have a lot of disorders but disassociation isn't one of them.  I suppose my default position is more conservative.  I am a realist, I see things for what they are, I refuse to redefine truth, I believe in personal accountability and self-determination, but I am empathetic still find myself somewhere in the middle.  Even so, as a paid CVHS agitator with over 24k posts, I can drift...

My reference to a hero and yours to a daddy are basically the same assessment.   

As for Biden, he is a say-anything-for-a-vote politician, but at his core, he is still more of a 'lock up the predators' mass incarceration type guy.  It could get interesting if someone could guarantee he'll make it four more years.  If he never has to face another election, the old Joe might show up during his second term. 

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

Do you think I am speaking about myself when describing conservatives?  I have a lot of disorders but disassociation isn't one of them.  I suppose my default position is more conservative.  I am a realist, I see things for what they are, I refuse to redefine truth, I believe in personal accountability and self-determination, but I am empathetic still find myself somewhere in the middle.  Even so, as a paid CVHS agitator with over 24k posts, I can drift...

My reference to a hero and yours to a daddy are basically the same assessment.   

As for Biden, he is a say-anything-for-a-vote politician, but at his core, he is still more of a 'lock up the predators' mass incarceration type guy.  It could get interesting if someone could guarantee he'll make it four more years.  If he never has to face another election, the old Joe might show up during his second term. 

My post was a reference to YOU saying that Trump and Bruce Wayne have a lot in common and to YOU saying 'we' need a hero. It's weird. You try to distance yourself from being conservative but you started this whole conversation off expressing your love for the 2nd Amendment and then strangely saying that your side would never loot or use weapons because that not their style. Are you purposefully trying to play both sides for arguments sake or am I talking to a bot? What are we doing here?

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

My post was a reference to YOU saying that Trump and Bruce Wayne have a lot in common and to YOU saying 'we' need a hero. It's weird. You try to distance yourself from being conservative but you started this whole conversation off expressing your love for the 2nd Amendment and then strangely saying that your side would never loot or use weapons because that not their style. Are you purposefully trying to play both sides for arguments sake or am I talking to a bot? What are we doing here?

The GOP believes we need a hero. 

I admit that I meet myself coming and going, but mainly just making observations. 

To be accurate, I said "the GOP believes we need a hero."  As for the comparisons with Bruce Wayne, I should have cited the sources.  https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/what-do-trump-batman-have-common-many-ultra-rich-people-ncna1030581
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/08/18/donald-trump-says-hes-batman-here-are-15-reasons-why-he-might-just-be-right/

Back to the discussion.  Do you think Biden's true nature will surface if given a final term?

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

Do you think Biden's true nature will surface if given a final term?

If Trump wins, he has said that he will be a dictator on his first day and get revenge, is the GOP cool with that? Trump has shown his hand and the GOP is not listening.

Biden will push left like Obama did in his 2nd term. That is a given. Bush wanted a war, when did he do it? 2nd term. History will repeat itself.

Nikki Hailey's followers have said they will not vote for Trump, around 4 million people. Independents will not vote for him, we are around 3 million. How many GOP will not vote for him? Let's say another 2 million. So how does Trump win with 12 million voters gone? Be honest Trump voters, does your orange clown have a shot?

[eylchamps]

[Cristobal]

Stupidity always has a shot in this country

[Cristobal]

[Coastfan]

Nikki Hailey's followers have said they will not vote for Trump, around 4 million people. Independents will not vote for him, we are around 3 million. How many GOP will not vote for him? Let's say another 2 million. So how does Trump win with 12 million voters gone? Be honest Trump voters, does your orange clown have a shot?

Not my orange clown, but did come to write that former President Trump will win this election in November. The voter turnout in 2020 for President Biden will not be repeated. Georgia (specifically Atlanta), Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada are the key states in this upcoming election. My prediction, and I know my boy Timmy will put this back up on Wednesday/Thursday, November 6/7 to let me know I need to stay away from the internet prediction business, is President Trump will be our next president...so, yes, President Trump has more than a shot...the only way he does not win this election is if President Biden (is forced to withdraw secretly) withdraws before or during the convention. Get ready EYL for it ;)

[Coastfan]

[izne1home]

If Trump wins, he has said that he will be a dictator on his first day and get revenge, is the GOP cool with that? Trump has shown his hand and the GOP is not listening.

Biden will push left like Obama did in his 2nd term. That is a given. Bush wanted a war, when did he do it? 2nd term. History will repeat itself.

Nikki Hailey's followers have said they will not vote for Trump, around 4 million people. Independents will not vote for him, we are around 3 million. How many GOP will not vote for him? Let's say another 2 million. So how does Trump win with 12 million voters gone? Be honest Trump voters, does your orange clown have a shot?

Despite how bad they are, the practical reality at this juncture is that you must choose.  If you check out as a matter of principle, you're guaranteed to get the greater of the two evils you fear.  Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If Biden doesn't withdraw and gets elected, I'm not sure he will push left.  He might let his true colors shine right up until they exercise the 25th Amendment.

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

Not my orange clown, but did come to write that former President Trump will win this election in November. The voter turnout in 2020 for President Biden will not be repeated. Georgia (specifically Atlanta), Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada are the key states in this upcoming election. My prediction, and I know my boy Timmy will put this back up on Wednesday/Thursday, November 6/7 to let me know I need to stay away from the internet prediction business, is President Trump will be our next president...so, yes, President Trump has more than a shot...the only way he does not win this election is if President Biden (is forced to withdraw secretly) withdraws before or during the convention. Get ready EYL for it ;)

For the record, I don't discount Trump's chances. I would not be surprised at all if he wins. A lot can, and will happen until November; but if the vote were today I think trump would win. I think Bidens stance on Israel has hurt him more than he realizes. He is vulnerable.

[Timmy Winn]

[Timmy Winn]

If Trump wins, he has said that he will be a dictator on his first day and get revenge, is the GOP cool with that? Trump has shown his hand and the GOP is not listening.

Biden will push left like Obama did in his 2nd term. That is a given. Bush wanted a war, when did he do it? 2nd term. History will repeat itself.

Nikki Hailey's followers have said they will not vote for Trump, around 4 million people. Independents will not vote for him, we are around 3 million. How many GOP will not vote for him? Let's say another 2 million. So how does Trump win with 12 million voters gone? Be honest Trump voters, does your orange clown have a shot?

The GOP is good with anything that protects their gun rights, keeps abortion illegal, keeps our borders closed, keeps religion at the forefront and generally keeps us from advancing past what was going on in the 1950's. They will welcome a dictatorship to own the libtards. That is really what is on the ballot in November.

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

The GOP is good with anything that protects their gun rights, keeps abortion illegal, keeps our borders closed, keeps religion at the forefront and generally keeps us from advancing past what was going on in the 1950's. They will welcome a dictatorship to own the libtards. That is really what is on the ballot in November.

What you call "advancing" the right-wing sees as erosion and a death march towards collapse.  They also tend to be a little more patriotic and respond to those existential threats with their bibles in one hand and a rifle in the other.  Whether you are moving forward or backward is a function of which way you are facing.

Personally, we need to exercise common sense relative to guns, abortions, religious rights, crime, and immigration.  The extremes tend to cancel each other out in their ongoing game of tug-o-war, which has only grown worse as we polarize.  There is a lot of tension in that rope right now, but if they'd just relax, there's a lot of room in the middle for compromise.

[izne1home]

[izne1home]

Most right-wingers believe that Paul Harvey summed up some call progress, 60 years ago...

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

What you call "advancing" the right-wing sees as erosion and a death march towards collapse.  They also tend to be a little more patriotic and respond to those existential threats with their bibles in one hand and a rifle in the other.  Whether you are moving forward or backward is a function of which way you are facing.

Personally, we need to exercise common sense relative to guns, abortions, religious rights, crime, and immigration.  The extremes tend to cancel each other out in their ongoing game of tug-o-war, which has only grown worse as we polarize.  There is a lot of tension in that rope right now, but if they'd just relax, there's a lot of room in the middle for compromise.

I laugh at the GOP when they defend Pro-life/RvsW and ignore that in 1973, 5 GOP appointed SC judges agreed with the ruling. One dem appointed judge sided with them, 6-3. GOP are responsible for all the abortions since. Trying to wash their dirty hands now.
I would like one Trump evangelical to explain to us how we, Christians, are being mistreated, persecuted, denied our 1st A right. Trump sure likes to use this as a populist punchline.   
I agree that we need to find the middle ground but the two candidates/parties refuse to meet in the middle.

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

I laugh at the GOP when they defend Pro-life/RvsW and ignore that in 1973, 5 GOP appointed SC judges agreed with the ruling. One dem appointed judge sided with them, 6-3. GOP are responsible for all the abortions since. Trying to wash their dirty hands now.
I would like one Trump evangelical to explain to us how we, Christians, are being mistreated, persecuted, denied our 1st A right. Trump sure likes to use this as a populist punchline. 
I agree that we need to find the middle ground but the two candidates/parties refuse to meet in the middle.

I don't disagree.  I just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding about being one of the Trumptards.

The abortion issue is a classic lesson in being careful what you ask for.  Since RvW was overturned, abortion rights have exploded and are being codified in most states. It could also very well cost the GOP the 2024 election.  It's one thing to be staunchly pro-life, but you have to face the practical challenge of getting your candidate elected.

As for the persecution, I hear the same message from some mega-church pastors.  Traditional Christian values are always under attack, but that's not the same as persecuting the church.  Plenty of churches have conflated patriotism with godliness and blurred the lines.

I've always been amazed at people who claim to have political dialogues with Christ and act as His appointed campaign agent.  "Friends..., Jesus woke me up last night and told me that we need to defeat A.B 312, now pending in the state legislature, and also raise money to support the campaign of my good friend, Lester.  On the screen behind me is a text number..."

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

I don't disagree.  I just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding about being one of the Trumptards.

The abortion issue is a classic lesson in being careful what you ask for.  Since RvW was overturned, abortion rights have exploded and are being codified in most states. It could also very well cost the GOP the 2024 election.  It's one thing to be staunchly pro-life, but you have to face the practical challenge of getting your candidate elected.

As for the persecution, I hear the same message from some mega-church pastors.  Traditional Christian values are always under attack, but that's not the same as persecuting the church.  Plenty of churches have conflated patriotism with godliness and blurred the lines.

I've always been amazed at people who claim to have political dialogues with Christ and act as His appointed campaign agent.  "Friends..., Jesus woke me up last night and told me that we need to defeat A.B 312, now pending in the state legislature, and also raise money to support the campaign of my good friend, Lester.  On the screen behind me is a text number..."

lol...don't forget that Jesus really wants us to add a cappuccino bar at the entrance to church. Give what your heart tells you to.

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

lol...don't forget that Jesus really wants us to add a cappuccino bar at the entrance to church. Give what your heart tells you to.

Most churches need a marketing consultant.  If you nickel and dime guys by shaming them into dropping a couple of dollars for a cup of weak coffee, that bad taste you left in their mouth will cause them to shave their contribution by $20 when the plate goes by.  The church can't keep its lights on, but the coffee-cart ministry is kicking a. 

Manipulating people in the name of the Lord isn't new.  Trying to sell coffee, tell them it's Jesus coffee.  Trying to drum up business, but a fish symbol on your business card.  Or tell them Jesus wants them to plant a seed of faith by sending $100.  The sad thing is that it is usually the vulnerable to take the bait. 

I hope I'm hanging around, within earshot, when it's those guys' turn to meet their maker.  But I for sure want to be there when Teddy's number is called.  Hopefully they allow heckling. 

[izne1home]

[Timmy Winn]

Most churches need a marketing consultant.  If you nickel and dime guys by shaming them into dropping a couple of dollars for a cup of weak coffee, that bad taste you left in their mouth will cause them to shave their contribution by $20 when the plate goes by.  The church can't keep its lights on, but the coffee-cart ministry is kicking a. 

Manipulating people in the name of the Lord isn't new.  Trying to sell coffee, tell them it's Jesus coffee.  Trying to drum up business, but a fish symbol on your business card.  Or tell them Jesus wants them to plant a seed of faith by sending $100.  The sad thing is that it is usually the vulnerable to take the bait. 

I hope I'm hanging around, within earshot, when it's those guys' turn to meet their maker.  But I for sure want to be there when Teddy's number is called.  Hopefully they allow heckling. 

lol. I love the thought of heckling at the pearly gates.

[Timmy Winn]

[eylchamps]

As for the persecution, I hear the same message from some mega-church pastors.  Traditional Christian values are always under attack, but that's not the same as persecuting the church.  Plenty of churches have conflated patriotism with godliness and blurred the lines.

I've always been amazed at people who claim to have political dialogues with Christ and act as His appointed campaign agent.  "Friends..., Jesus woke me up last night and told me that we need to defeat A.B 312, now pending in the state legislature, and also raise money to support the campaign of my good friend, Lester.  On the screen behind me is a text number..."

Under attack? The only issue I see, when we, pushy Christians, want to force it on others. Christ never calls for that. Free will is the great equalizer. America is not a Christian nation, a nation of free and protect religions. Want to start the Izne/Teddy Church? I know that makes people mad but we are not Old England with one church and one religion. More and more we hear about this today and it makes me laugh.
Christ is a Republican and the devil is a Democrat today. In the 50s, Jesus was a Democrat with Jim Crowe laws and segregation. Jesus jumps to the other team every 30 years. The church also jumps around to fit the moral standard of the day. LOL

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

Under attack? The only issue I see, when we, pushy Christians, want to force it on others. Christ never calls for that. Free will is the great equalizer. America is not a Christian nation, a nation of free and protect religions. Want to start the Izne/Teddy Church? I know that makes people mad but we are not Old England with one church and one religion. More and more we hear about this today and it makes me laugh.
Christ is a Republican and the devil is a Democrat today. In the 50s, Jesus was a Democrat with Jim Crowe laws and segregation. Jesus jumps to the other team every 30 years. The church also jumps around to fit the moral standard of the day. LOL

Pretty sure that's what I said.  Society's rejection of traditional Christian values does not amount to persecution of the church. The church does a pretty good job of persecuting itself. 

But for the record, if Teddy and I started a church, it would be huge. 

[izne1home]

[izne1home]

lol. I love the thought of heckling at the pearly gates.

It might be a good idea to save the heckling until you get through the gate and get your ticket punched. But once you're in, it's like Amateur Night at the Appolo for the guys coming in behind you.

[izne1home]

[tru guru]

The GOP is good with anything that protects their gun rights, keeps abortion illegal, keeps our borders closed, keeps religion at the forefront and generally keeps us from advancing past what was going on in the 1950's. They will welcome a dictatorship to own the libtards. That is really what is on the ballot in November.

I tend to vote Republican in most elections and I only agree with 2 of those, lol. 

[tru guru]

[Timmy Winn]

I tend to vote Republican in most elections and I only agree with 2 of those, lol. 

You're unique. Good for you for having thoughts that aren't exclusively aligned with your party's platform. We need more moderates.

[Timmy Winn]

[izne1home]

You're unique. Good for you for having thoughts that aren't exclusively aligned with your party's platform. We need more moderates.

I agree.  At some level, I believe the vast majority are capable of accepting moderate positions.  It's just a question of dropping your guard, using reason, and having adult conversations. Sort of like we do around here...

[izne1home]

[izne1home]

James Carville says seeing Biden's approval rating like walking in on grandma naked and Preachy Females

AOC Responds to Preachy Females

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[eylchamps]

Anyone older than 72 should be quiet and not make comments. LOL
James is 80 years old. He's as senile as Trump and Biden.
I will say, can't believe I'm saying this, the Dems are more united than the GOP.

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[Coastfan]

I will say, can't believe I'm saying this, the Dems are more united than the GOP.

I find this interesting. I am not going to disagree with this statement. In one sense, I think this is a good thing for our future parties. I do want schisms. I would like to see both parties split. To think that all of our political issues are placed under these broad terms of Republican and Democrat is silly. The Tea Party movement in 2010ish-2016 was a political boon for the Republicans; I would argue that Bernie and his Democratic Socialist ideology, along with the Squad led by AOC was a political boon for the Democrats. Even those two movements helped strengthen the two parties at the time, they are now threatening to tear the parties apart. We need options in this country for our leadership; we need grassroots-type movements. It helps clarifies what people believe and forces old school politicians to remember why they got there in the first place.

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