*Note; these aren't my rankings and calpreps.com hasn't completed their process, but here's today's rankings.
Division VI: 1. Strathmore, 2. Sierra Pacific, 3. Kennedy, 4. Riverdale, 5. Orosi.
Division V: 1. Mendota, 2. Firebaugh, 3. Dos Palos, 4. Desert. 5. Sierra.
Division IV: 1. Selma, 2. Golden West, 3. Chowchilla, 4. CVC, 5. Chavez.
Division III: 1. BCHS, 2. Tulare Western, 3. Hanford, 4. Memorial, 5. Tehachapi.
Division II: 1. Tulare Union, 2. Sanger, 3. Ridgeview, 4. Garces, 5. Sunnyside.
Division I: 1. Bakersfield, 2. Clovis West, 3. Central, 4. Liberty, 5. Edison.
Quote from: Coach Gutierrez on May 16, 2017, 08:52:34 AM
*Note; these aren't my rankings and calpreps.com hasn't completed their process, but here's today's rankings.
Division VI: 1. Strathmore, 2. Sierra Pacific, 3. Kennedy, 4. Riverdale, 5. Orosi.
Division V: 1. Mendota, 2. Firebaugh, 3. Dos Palos, 4. Desert. 5. Sierra.
Division IV: 1. Selma, 2. Golden West, 3. Chowchilla, 4. CVC, 5. Chavez.
Division III: 1. BCHS, 2. Tulare Western, 3. Hanford, 4. Memorial, 5. Tehachapi.
Division II: 1. Tulare Union, 2. Sanger, 3. Ridgeview, 4. Garces, 5. Sunnyside.
Division I: 1. Bakersfield, 2. Clovis West, 3. Central, 4. Liberty, 5. Edison.
These can't be anybody's rankings. There are too many mistakes in divisional placement. Sanger is D-I, Hanford is D-II, Chowchilla is D-III, etc.
If Adrian Martinez misses 4 or 5 games like I've heard he might then Clovis West should be lower.
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Quote from: PitPride65 on May 16, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
These can't be anybody's rankings. There are too many mistakes in divisional placement. Sanger is D-I, Hanford is D-II, Chowchilla is D-III, etc.
Give the guy a break it's to hard to keep up with all the moves between divisions.
It seems like every year Edison and Central are ranked high because of the athletes that they have but when they seem to under perform. I've said this before, I was not impressed with the Central coaching/game management in the VC game. Starting the Drillers at 1 makes sense but the rest is still too early.
Quote from: PitPride65 on May 16, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
These can't be anybody's rankings. There are too many mistakes in divisional placement. Sanger is D-I, Hanford is D-II, Chowchilla is D-III, etc.
Read the title and note bud, but if you don't think so you could check calpreps yourself.
I'm making my prediction right now in regards to D-2 and D-4
Tulare will roll through the season and win it all.
Selma will repeat as champs.
If read correctly, this is what calpreps.com has right now:
D1
BHS
CW
Central
Liberty
Edison
D2
Tulare Union
Garces
Hanford
Sunnyside
Lemoore
D3
BCHS
TW
SJM
Tehachapi
Kingsburg
D4
Selma
GW
Chowchilla
CVC
Chavez
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 16, 2017, 11:06:11 AM
If read correctly, this is what calpreps.com has right now:
D1
BHS
CW
Central
Liberty
Edison
D2
Tulare Union
Garces
Hanford
Sunnyside
Lemoore
D3
BCHS
TW
SJM
Tehachapi
Kingsburg
D4
Selma
GW
Chowcilla
CVC
Chavez
what happened to D5 and 6?
Quote from: Coach Gutierrez on May 16, 2017, 10:05:34 AM
Read the title and note bud, but if you don't think so you could check calpreps yourself.
I read it again, the rankings didn't make sense. It wasn't a shot at you, but it tells everybody the computers running calpreps aren't up to date.
1. Bakersfield 2. Central 3. Liberty 4. Clovis West (we'll see what happens with Adrian Martinez) 5. Buchanan (if they find average QB play. The skill guys they have transferring in are really good players)
Quote from: eylchamps on May 16, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
what happened to D5 and 6?
I don't have that much time on my hands...
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 16, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
It seems like every year Edison and Central are ranked high because of the athletes that they have but when they seem to under perform. I've said this before, I was not impressed with the Central coaching/game management in the VC game. Starting the Drillers at 1 makes sense but the rest is still too early.
It appears to me that last year Edison Overperformed by getting to the quarterfinals coming up short by only 3 yards at Central without while using three different QBs. Central did ok making it to the VC game. Edison has good "Athletes" that play hard just like many other teams in the Valley (Even Clovis teams have good "Athletes"). They won't go too far without a QB of course but Central has a excellent QB and have the chance to be very good.
Quote from: Sixtynine on May 16, 2017, 02:23:30 PM
1. Bakersfield 2. Central 3. Liberty 4. Clovis West (we'll see what happens with Adrian Martinez) 5. Buchanan (if they find average QB play. The skill guys they have transferring in are really good players)
I believe one of those Buchanan transfers was slated to be the starting QB this season at his previous school. Completely different offensive scheme, but I assume he is at least competent throwing the ball.
I'm not so sure Edison I'd say that Edison "over performed", they beat Stockdale (#9 seed) at home in the 1st round of the playoffs. I would suggest that maybe Central "did ok making it to the Valley Championship game' is not quite accurate, Central was the #1 seed, they faced Edison #8 seed and CW #4 seed whom they had beat earlier that year 49-28. I never said nor implied that Edison's kids don't play hard, but for the amount of speed and talent they have as with Central they underachieve more than they don't.
I think Jaylon Johnson having the surgery before the playoffs began affected Central. Look at the CW score before and after. Think about the confidence the D had knowing he was back there. Also the other teams offense had to account for him. He was replaced by a soph, who did a good job, but it wasn't a 4* going to Utah.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 17, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
I'm not so sure Edison I'd say that Edison "over performed", they beat Stockdale (#9 seed) at home in the 1st round of the playoffs. I would suggest that maybe Central "did ok making it to the Valley Championship game' is not quite accurate, Central was the #1 seed, they faced Edison #8 seed and CW #4 seed whom they had beat earlier that year 49-28. I never said nor implied that Edison's kids don't play hard, but for the amount of speed and talent they have as with Central they underachieve more than they don't.
Making it to the Valley Championship game without their best player (I'm no Central lover BTW) is better than "ok". Especially since they beat CW who just like other Clovis schools are overrated every year IMO. CW was supposed to win it all. I remember a lot of CW talk all year including in the "Clovis" Bee. Maybe Edison is expected to win due to it's traditional wealth of "Athletes" but it also might be because it has a tradition of winning which backs up the high ratings. Back in Sept. 2016 this was the type of rankings I saw on this board:
1.) Clovis
2.) Bakersfield
3.) Central
4.) Clovis North
4.) Liberty
6.) Buchanan
7.) Bullard
8.) Clovis West
9.) Sanger
10.) Stockdale
other Valley "Experts" had Edison as #5 or #6 but said they had to have great QB play which was true.
Clovis schools might need a second look on being overrated. But I'm a FUSD Homer all the way so I'm always gonna say that :)
Quote from: tbone77 on May 17, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
Making it to the Valley Championship game without their best player (I'm no Central lover BTW) is better than "ok". Especially since they beat CW who just like other Clovis schools are overrated every year IMO. CW was supposed to win it all. I remember a lot of CW talk all year including in the "Clovis" Bee. Maybe Edison is expected to win due to it's traditional wealth of "Athletes" but it also might be because it has a tradition of winning which backs up the high ratings. Back in Sept. 2016 this was the type of rankings I saw on this board:
1.) Clovis
2.) Bakersfield
3.) Central
4.) Clovis North
4.) Liberty
6.) Buchanan
7.) Bullard
8.) Clovis West
9.) Sanger
10.) Stockdale
other Valley "Experts" had Edison as #5 or #6 but said they had to have great QB play which was true.
Clovis schools might need a second look on being overrated. But I'm a FUSD Homer all the way so I'm always gonna say that :)
You're off on this. About 99.9 percent of the time, it's Fresno schools that are WAY overrated not Clovis schools. It's always Edison and Central being hyped up because of their "superior" athletes. Nobody does less with more than Central and Edison football....usually.
CW was not supposed to win it all last year. Sure, Adrian Martinez got a lot of publicity in the media for being the best player, by far, in the section. But as a team? They were a 4 seed. They were not supposed to win it all.
Central again will be good this year and are even a championship contender. Their chances went substantially up when they had a Clovis kid transfer in to play RB for this coming season.
Quote from: Sixtynine on May 17, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
You're off on this. About 99.9 percent of the time, it's Fresno schools that are WAY overrated not Clovis schools. It's always Edison and Central being hyped up because of their "superior" athletes. Nobody does less with more than Central and Edison football....usually.
CW was not supposed to win it all last year. Sure, Adrian Martinez got a lot of publicity in the media for being the best player, by far, in the section. But as a team? They were a 4 seed. They were not supposed to win it all.
Central again will be good this year and are even a championship contender. Their chances went substantially up when they had a Clovis kid transfer in to play RB for this coming season.
Less with more? that is the stereotype....Having "Superior" Athletes has never equated to winning 100%, having great admin support, financial resources/booster organization, great coaches and involved and supportive parents might have something to do with winning as well. Being involved first hand with Edison has taught me that big-time. Matter of fact, I believe that the Coaching staff may be the most important aspect of HS football not the "athletes". While Matt Johnson is a very good coach IMO, he has had major turnover in key staff positions the past 4 years- 4 OC's, 4 Receiver Coaches, 3 DC's and a number of other auxiliary coaches. With all that being said..if they had consistency in the QB position the past two years they may have gone a lot further.
Clovis teams are overrated more consistently than FUSD teams...especially pre-season. That's my opinion and we'll see if it holds true this year..again.
there is no question that admin support, parental support, good Boosters and coaching all go into a successful program, but what I believe sixty and I are both getting at is that on the field Central and Edison will usually have the better athletes and they tend to under perform in the clutch. I am a fan of the Drillers and they should not have won the VC game, Central was the better team but IMO the Central offense was run in a way that took them out of the game...again that's just my opinion I don't know what was going on on the Central sideline or huddle.
I think a true test of a coaching staff is that they can keep it pieced together when the talent level is low and pull out that 6-5 or 7-5 season but when they have the horses they make a run.
Another thing that we need to understand is that the typical fan over-estimates what "talent" really means. I like to use Edison, Central and Tulare Union as an example. It seems on the surface that they have "talent" every year but there are a ton of years that they are completely under-developed or devoid of talent on the offensive line and defensive front and get beat when the chips are down...
Quote from: tru guru on May 17, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
I believe one of those Buchanan transfers was slated to be the starting QB this season at his previous school. Completely different offensive scheme, but I assume he is at least competent throwing the ball.
Sanger High School, wasn't it?
There is no way BHS should be ranked #1. They lost most of their offense and defensive line to seniors. Plus five starters don't make a team, just remember the Fab Five from 2015.
Quote from: Sixtynine on May 17, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
You're off on this. About 99.9 percent of the time, it's Fresno schools that are WAY overrated not Clovis schools. It's always Edison and Central being hyped up because of their "superior" athletes. Nobody does less with more than Central and Edison football....usually.
CW was not supposed to win it all last year. Sure, Adrian Martinez got a lot of publicity in the media for being the best player, by far, in the section. But as a team? They were a 4 seed. They were not supposed to win it all.
Central again will be good this year and are even a championship contender. Their chances went substantially up when they had a Clovis kid transfer in to play RB for this coming season.
Sixty,
I recall Clovis West opening up the season as #1 and Central #2...at least according to Fresno Bee
The Pag meter had Central #1 and Sanger #2
Remember everyone was making a big deal about CW lack luster scrimmage against Sunnyside? ???
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 18, 2017, 10:20:45 AM
I think a true test of a coaching staff is that they can keep it pieced together when the talent level is low and pull out that 6-5 or 7-5 season but when they have the horses they make a run.
Another thing that we need to understand is that the typical fan over-estimates what "talent" really means. I like to use Edison, Central and Tulare Union as an example. It seems on the surface that they have "talent" every year but there are a ton of years that they are completely under-developed or devoid of talent on the offensive line and defensive front and get beat when the chips are down...
Great Points. I saw that first hand with ET. Every year is different and this coming year ET is supposed to be much better but they still don't have a QB and lost several linemen so will they be that good? I maintain that if they are still lacking a QB and get to the second round or better they are Overachieving not Underachieving. Just my Opinion.
Quote from: KHighFive on May 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
There is no way BHS should be ranked #1. They lost most of their offense and defensive line to seniors. Plus five starters don't make a team, just remember the Fab Five from 2015.
the core of the offense, at the skilled positions they are returning all the key guys except for Moran. As for the Oline the lost Schone that is not going to be replaced but seldom is a D1 scholarship kid replaced at a public school. The Dline lost a couple of solid kids, but they have a 2 returners on the Dline that saw plenty of time.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 18, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
the core of the offense, at the skilled positions they are returning all the key guys except for Moran. As for the Oline the lost Schone that is not going to be replaced but seldom is a D1 scholarship kid replaced at a public school. The Dline lost a couple of solid kids, but they have a 2 returners on the Dline that saw plenty of time.
Also, the seniors that left were part of that group that struggled for two years. They played most of last season without Moran... so, I don't think anything will be too different in the QB area. It is the younger, up-and-coming sophomores and juniors that were the difference last year.. and, I think BHS will be even better this year - so, I think the #1 ranking is justified. Losing Schoene and Demison will be the biggest holes to fill; however, I think they have plenty of kids to choose from to get that done.
The 2016-2017 seniors did not struggle for two years. As sophomores, only two played on Varsity and they were linemen. The rest of the group were on a 10-0 JV team and their junior year were lead by a group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players. As for the QB situation, the young ones are good in a non-stressful game but you put them in a high stressful game and they fall apart. Hence the second game against liberty and central, without Maran the team would have not worked. Second game against liberty both younger QB started and couldn't do nothing, so in comes the senior. Perfect example would be Del Oro game without the older QB and they were totally unable to lead their team. BHS will be good but not #1.
Quote from: KHighFive on May 19, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
The 2016-2017 seniors did not struggle for two years. As sophomores, only two played on Varsity and they were linemen. The rest of the group were on a 10-0 JV team and their junior year were lead by a group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players. As for the QB situation, the young ones are good in a non-stressful game but you put them in a high stressful game and they fall apart. Hence the second game against liberty and central, without Maran the team would have not worked. Second game against liberty both younger QB started and couldn't do nothing, so in comes the senior. Perfect example would be Del Oro game without the older QB and they were totally unable to lead their team. BHS will be good but not #1.
Opinions are like butts.. everyone has one. I was commenting on the "way too early" ranking - and, I think BHS should be ranked #1 (not that they will be the #1 team after the season starts). They were mostly a young team last year... so, losing a few seniors isn't enough to knock them off of the top spot. Cam Williams is an extremely talented QB, he is a year older, and we will know in the first one or two games if he can handle the high-stress games this year. If Williams can get the job done, that will free up Ochoa to focus on leading the defense (where he will be a beast this year). Just my opinion..
One more comment regarding the "group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players", I agree with that assessment as well; however, if they can't get their "team" attitude going early on, and lose a few games.. that might be the best medicine to cure that issue. I am confident that the coaches will have these young guys clicking by the time league starts.
HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on May 22, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.
Agreed!!!
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on May 22, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.
Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.
Quote from: Roughneck005 on May 22, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.
About time!!!
Quote from: Coach Scudder on May 22, 2017, 10:59:08 AM
About time!!!
Coach,
CIF still hasn't pulled their heads out yet. This has been a YEARS long battle for some of these schools. No lobbying has been made to stay down in order to have a better chance at winning for either of those teams. CIF is the ultimate authority when it comes to divisional placement, and at the end of the day, everyone has to play where they put them. There is no oversight for CIF, so ultimately the decisions for placement come down to $$$, and how much they feel they will make by placing teams in certain divisions with certain possible match ups. That's the real rub - teams are not necessarily placed where they "should" be, rather, where CIF feels it is most beneficial.
Quote from: Roughneck005 on May 22, 2017, 10:57:56 AM
Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.
We were a muffed snap away from winning it with Ridgeview in D2. But you are entitled to your opinion.
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on May 22, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
We were a muffed snap away from winning it with Ridgeview in D2. But you are entitled to your opinion.
My opinion is that the facts show that THREE years ago Dinuba ALMOST won, but DIDN'T. The fact is that with RHS and Sanger out of D2, the division became much softer. Not an attack on other teams, just a statement of fact about the strength of those two programs (regardless of the hurr durr dey beelong in div 1 furever talk that this site is riddled with). I hope Dinuba has a great season, football is always more fun when Dinuba and other small town teams are performing well. My statement about Stockdale and Frontier being contenders is based on the simple fact of a Div 1 team bumping down to Div 2. Much like I would expect somewhat of a struggle from Sanger and RHS this upcoming year in Div 1.
There was 48 min in a game worth of plays just to blame it on a muffed snapped. If they were going to beat rhs they had a full 48 min to do it but it didn't happen.
rough, I have to think that Bandy being at the helm over at Frontier will help since he has faced those team in the D2 bracket the last few years while over at Ridgeview.
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on May 22, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.
Dinuba had a pretty good QB last year. Is he returning?
Quote from: ThetruthBeTold on May 22, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Dinuba had a pretty good QB last year. Is he returning?
No, Villarreal will be playing at COS next season. We have a really talented Soph. taking the helm.
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on May 22, 2017, 03:22:25 PM
No, Villarreal will be playing at COS next season. We have a really talented Soph. taking the helm.
Speaking of talented soph QB's, watch Garces. Once they get past the St. John Bosco and BHS game.. if everyone makes it through unscathed, they will be ready to dominate the D2. I have heard they have some good transfers coming in.. and Coach Gass will have another year of building up that program under his belt.