WAY TOO EARLY Divisional Rankings.

[Darth Backer]

I think a true test of a coaching staff is that they can keep it pieced together when the talent level is low and pull out that 6-5 or 7-5 season but when they have the horses they make a run.

Another thing that we need to understand is that the typical fan over-estimates what "talent" really means.  I like to use Edison, Central and Tulare Union as an example. It seems on the surface that they have "talent" every year but there are a ton of years that they are completely under-developed or devoid of talent on the offensive line and defensive front and get beat when the chips are down...

[MiddleSchoolLegend]

I believe one of those Buchanan transfers was slated to be the starting QB this season at his previous school.  Completely different offensive scheme, but I assume he is at least competent throwing the ball.

Sanger High School, wasn't it?

[KHighFive]

  There is no way BHS should be ranked #1. They lost most of their offense and defensive line to seniors. Plus five starters don't make a team, just remember the Fab Five from 2015.

[ThetruthBeTold]

You're off on this. About 99.9 percent of the time, it's Fresno schools that are WAY overrated not Clovis schools. It's always Edison and Central being hyped up because of their "superior" athletes. Nobody does less with more than Central and Edison football....usually.

CW was not supposed to win it all last year. Sure, Adrian Martinez got a lot of publicity in the media for being the best player, by far, in the section. But as a team? They were a 4 seed. They were not supposed to win it all.

Central again will be good this year and are even a championship contender. Their chances went substantially up when they had a Clovis kid transfer in to play RB for this coming season.

Sixty, I recall Clovis West opening up the season as #1 and Central #2...at least according to Fresno Bee

The Pag meter had Central #1 and Sanger #2


Remember everyone was making a big deal about CW lack luster scrimmage against Sunnyside?   ???

[tbone77]

I think a true test of a coaching staff is that they can keep it pieced together when the talent level is low and pull out that 6-5 or 7-5 season but when they have the horses they make a run.

Another thing that we need to understand is that the typical fan over-estimates what "talent" really means.  I like to use Edison, Central and Tulare Union as an example. It seems on the surface that they have "talent" every year but there are a ton of years that they are completely under-developed or devoid of talent on the offensive line and defensive front and get beat when the chips are down...

Great Points. I saw that first hand with ET. Every year is different and this coming year ET is supposed to be much better but they still don't have a QB and lost several linemen so will they be that good? I maintain that if they are still lacking a QB and get to the second round or better they are Overachieving not Underachieving. Just my Opinion.

[TeddyKGB]

  There is no way BHS should be ranked #1. They lost most of their offense and defensive line to seniors. Plus five starters don't make a team, just remember the Fab Five from 2015.

the core of the offense, at the skilled positions they are returning all the key guys except for Moran. As for the Oline the lost Schone that is not going to be replaced but seldom is a D1 scholarship kid replaced at a public school. The Dline lost a couple of solid kids, but they have a 2 returners on the Dline that saw plenty of time.

[steve-o]

Sanger High School, wasn't it?

Might not be true

[mw1]

the core of the offense, at the skilled positions they are returning all the key guys except for Moran. As for the Oline the lost Schone that is not going to be replaced but seldom is a D1 scholarship kid replaced at a public school. The Dline lost a couple of solid kids, but they have a 2 returners on the Dline that saw plenty of time.

Also, the seniors that left were part of that group that struggled for two years.  They played most of last season without Moran... so, I don't think anything will be too different in the QB area.  It is the younger, up-and-coming sophomores and juniors that were the difference last year.. and, I think BHS will be even better this year - so, I think the #1 ranking is justified.  Losing Schoene and Demison will be the biggest holes to fill; however, I think they have plenty of kids to choose from to get that done. 

[KHighFive]

The 2016-2017 seniors did not struggle for two years. As sophomores, only two played on Varsity and they were linemen. The rest of the group were on a 10-0 JV team and their junior year were lead by a group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players. As for the QB situation, the young ones are good in a non-stressful game but you put them in a high stressful game and they fall apart. Hence the second game against liberty and central, without Maran the team would have not worked. Second game against liberty both younger QB started and couldn't do nothing, so in comes the senior. Perfect example would be Del Oro game without the older QB and they were totally unable to lead their team. BHS will be good but  not #1.

[mw1]

The 2016-2017 seniors did not struggle for two years. As sophomores, only two played on Varsity and they were linemen. The rest of the group were on a 10-0 JV team and their junior year were lead by a group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players. As for the QB situation, the young ones are good in a non-stressful game but you put them in a high stressful game and they fall apart. Hence the second game against liberty and central, without Maran the team would have not worked. Second game against liberty both younger QB started and couldn't do nothing, so in comes the senior. Perfect example would be Del Oro game without the older QB and they were totally unable to lead their team. BHS will be good but  not #1.

Opinions are like butts.. everyone has one.  I was commenting on the "way too early" ranking - and, I think BHS should be ranked #1 (not that they will be the #1 team after the season starts).  They were mostly a young team last year... so, losing a few seniors isn't enough to knock them off of the top spot.  Cam Williams is an extremely talented QB, he is a year older, and we will know in the first one or two games if he can handle the high-stress games this year.  If Williams can get the job done, that will free up Ochoa to focus on leading the defense (where he will be a beast this year).  Just my opinion..

One more comment regarding the "group that wanted to be superstars and didn't want to be team players", I agree with that assessment as well; however, if they can't get their "team" attitude going early on, and lose a few games.. that might be the best medicine to cure that issue.  I am confident that the coaches will have these young guys clicking by the time league starts.

[The Eye in the Sky]

HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.

[Coach Scudder]

Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.

Agreed!!!

[Roughneck005]

HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.

Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.

[Coach Scudder]

Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.

About time!!!

[Roughneck005]

About time!!!

Coach,

CIF still hasn't pulled their heads out yet. This has been a YEARS long battle for some of these schools. No lobbying has been made to stay down in order to have a better chance at winning for either of those teams. CIF is the ultimate authority when it comes to divisional placement, and at the end of the day, everyone has to play where they put them. There is no oversight for CIF, so ultimately the decisions for placement come down to $$$, and how much they feel they will make by placing teams in certain divisions with certain possible match ups. That's the real rub - teams are not necessarily placed where they "should" be, rather, where CIF feels it is most beneficial.

[The Eye in the Sky]

Now that RHS and Sanger have moved up, maybe. But I'm pretty sure Stockdale and Frontier will have a horse in the race as well.

We were a muffed snap away from winning it with Ridgeview in D2. But you are entitled to your opinion.

[Roughneck005]

We were a muffed snap away from winning it with Ridgeview in D2. But you are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is that the facts show that THREE years ago Dinuba ALMOST won, but DIDN'T. The fact is that with RHS and Sanger out of D2, the division became much softer. Not an attack on other teams, just a statement of fact about the strength of those two programs (regardless of the hurr durr dey beelong in div 1 furever talk that this site is riddled with). I hope Dinuba has a great season, football is always more fun when Dinuba and other small town teams are performing well. My statement about Stockdale and Frontier being contenders is based on the simple fact of a Div 1 team bumping down to Div 2. Much like I would expect somewhat of a struggle from Sanger and RHS this upcoming year in Div 1.

[hsfootballfan27]

There was 48 min in a game worth of plays just to blame it on a muffed snapped. If they were going to beat rhs they had a full 48 min to do it but it didn't happen.

[TeddyKGB]

rough, I have to think that Bandy being at the helm over at Frontier will help since he has faced those team in the D2 bracket the last few years while over at Ridgeview. 

[ThetruthBeTold]

HOMER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dinuba is going to have a say so in D2 this year.

Dinuba had a pretty good QB last year.  Is he returning?

[ThetruthBeTold]