Presidential Race

[BallGuy]

Just curious, as I've talked to my friends. As a 30 something, I'm not sure it's ever been this underwhelming of a race. Is anyone here actually excited for any of the candidates (Trump v Biden, as no one has a real shot outside of them).

[Coastfan]

Bummed...and as someone who appreciates dark humor, this makes me laugh at the same time. I am trying to remain hopeful for our future...I am trying :)

[izne1home]

It's a conundrum. Voters are generally unimpressed with either candidate, yet, it's the voters who are unwilling to fix it.   

Ultimately, this system failure is on us. Our country has blue-screened and we need a hard reboot.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  Not that my side would ever use them, but just knowing we have an armed citizenry tends to keep people honest.  Both domestic and abroad. 

[eylchamps]

This comes down to the lesser of two evils. The Reagan Republican party no longer exists. 
So pick the candidate or party that will screw you less. Vote for the party that will use more lube.
We, the people, are the problem. 300 million Americans and these two morons are the best we got? We are in trouble no matter who wins.

[izne1home]

We, the people, are the problem. 300 million Americans and these two morons are the best we got? We are in trouble no matter who wins.

Exactly.  (This new Youtube insert function is pretty neat...)

[Timmy Winn]

It's a conundrum. Voters are generally unimpressed with either candidate, yet, it's the voters who are unwilling to fix it. 

Ultimately, this system failure is on us. Our country has blue-screened and we need a hard reboot.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  Not that my side would ever use them, but just knowing we have an armed citizenry tends to keep people honest.  Both domestic and abroad.

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

[Cristobal]

Can't vote for either candidate in good faith, a Felon and a Dementia case. If you cant pass a driving exam you cant be President!

[eylchamps]

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

I laugh when I hear all these Trumptards talk about riots, civil war and chaos if their orange clown felon president does not win. Please tell us how this will happen and be specific
On the other side, Trump has been sounding more and more like a dictator ready to get his revenge if he wins. So, I would think Trump would be the moron to use his military power on the people. I can see him ordering to kill all us w#tbacks that cross the rio or support immigration. His minions will cheer him on. Texas is already pulling us over because we look illegal. Jim Crow laws are great.

Can't vote for either candidate in good faith, a Felon and a Dementia case. If you cant pass a driving exam you cant be President!

Anyone with an ounce of morals and dignity will not vote for either. If you are conservative, you should not vote for either. If you are a God fearing person, most definitely not vote for either.

Third party vote for me.

[Timmy Winn]

I laugh when I hear all these Trumptards talk about riots, civil war and chaos if their orange clown felon president does not win. Please tell us how this will happen and be specific
On the other side, Trump has been sounding more and more like a dictator ready to get his revenge if he wins. So, I would think Trump would be the moron to use his military power on the people. I can see him ordering to kill all us w#tbacks that cross the rio or support immigration. His minions will cheer him on. Texas is already pulling us over because we look illegal. Jim Crow laws are great.

Anyone with an ounce of morals and dignity will not vote for either. If you are conservative, you should not vote for either. If you are a God fearing person, most definitely not vote for either.

Third party vote for me.

Yeah. I quit coming into this sub forum because I find the opinions frightening. A bunch of boomer keyboard warriors threatening another insurrection if Trump is not elected. What happened to our boomers, when did they become such fearful, xenophobic babies? Back to the baseball sub for me. You guys can toil in fear and ignorance without me. 

[izne1home]

What does this even mean? And what does it have to do with the election?

Just chumming the water to generate some dialog. Anyone thinking I'm a "Trumptard" needs to pay more attention.  Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or suggest the far right would take to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing.  Not their style...   

But since I mentioned it, for all the faults of the 2nd Amendment, and there are plenty, do you think there are any mitigating factors of having so many people armed?  Does it ever come into consideration when discussing civil unrest and deep divisions? 

[Timmy Winn]

Just chumming the water to generate some dialog. Anyone thinking I'm a "Trumptard" needs to pay more attention.  Didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or suggest the far right would take to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing.  Not their style...

But since I mentioned it, for all the faults of the 2nd Amendment, and there are plenty, do you think there are any mitigating factors of having so many people armed?  Does it ever come into consideration when discussing civil unrest and deep divisions? 

That's exactly what they did the last time trump lost. Now that that can of worms has been opened you can't go around implying something and then say 'that's not their style'. They've proven it IS their style. There are better ways to drum up dialogue without sacrificing the integrity of your message. You can't imply one thing but deny it when called on it. You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

[izne1home]

You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

First, from a style standpoint, I wouldn't describe the insurrection as taking "to the streets mobbing, looting, and killing..."

I was thinking more along these lines:

Second, you are assuming my message had integrity to lose.  I gave up on that about 15,000 posts ago.   
 

[CWClassof2007]

That's exactly what they did the last time trump lost. Now that that can of worms has been opened you can't go around implying something and then say 'that's not their style'. They've proven it IS their style. There are better ways to drum up dialogue without sacrificing the integrity of your message. You can't imply one thing but deny it when called on it. You can go back to napping with your shotgun. Sorry I bothered you.

I'd rather have another "insurrection" than have what happened after George Floyd. I'm not talking about the people who were peaceful protesting trying to make a change. I'm talking about people like BLM & Antifa who saw an opportunity & pounced. The far right & far left are just different sides of the same coin. It's why we have two crapty options. Nothing will change either way.

[Timmy Winn]

I'd rather have another "insurrection" than have what happened after George Floyd. I'm not talking about the people who were peaceful protesting trying to make a change. I'm talking about people like BLM & Antifa who saw an opportunity & pounced. The far right & far left are just different sides of the same coin. It's why we have two crapty options. Nothing will change either way.

Funny thing about both of the groups you mentioned, you haven't heard a peep from them since trump left office. They were opposition groups railing against perceived racism and attempted  fascism. I don't necessarily agree with their actions or approach but they were born out of resistance. Whereas the proud boys, QAnon and similar ilk were out there on the offensive, when their guy was in charge, claiming that the white race is being replaced by minorities and propagating crazy theory after crazy theory. One is a response the other is proactive. Do you see the difference?

[izne1home]

Funny thing about both of the groups you mentioned, you haven't heard a peep from them since trump left office. They were opposition groups railing against perceived racism and attempted  fascism. I don't necessarily agree with their actions or approach but they were born out of resistance. Whereas the proud boys, QAnon and similar ilk were out there on the offensive, when their guy was in charge, claiming that the white race is being replaced by minorities and propagating crazy theory after crazy theory. One is a response the other is proactive. Do you see the difference?

We'd all be better off without BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys, QAnon...  I think they are all so far off base there's nothing to be gained by trying to compare or legitimize one over the other. 

As for the timing, I think both extremes wound each other up.  You could equally say that since BLM and Antifa have gone silent, the Proud Boys and QAnon have nothing to respond to.  All cause and effect. 

Beyond that, it might just be a question of which end of the pipe you're looking through. It's all based on perceived discrimination and self-preservation and what your source of 'truth' happens to be. 

[Timmy Winn]

We'd all be better off without BLM, Antifa, Proud Boys, QAnon...  I think they are all so far off base there's nothing to be gained by trying to compare or legitimize one over the other. 

As for the timing, I think both extremes wound each other up.  You could equally say that since BLM and Antifa have gone silent, the Proud Boys and QAnon have nothing to respond to.  All cause and effect. 

Beyond that, it might just be a question of which end of the pipe you're looking through. It's all based on perceived discrimination and self-preservation and what your source of 'truth' happens to be. 

I'll play along. BLM was born out of the perceived need to hold law enforcement accountable for their actions towards African Americans. Antifa literally means Anti Fasicsts. What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon? I'm aware I'm talking to people that put insurrection in quotes like it's a fallacy that didn't happen and would be ok with another mob trying to violently overthrow our democratic process. So I don't expect much.

[izne1home]

What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon?

My best guess would be intolerance, exacerbated by ancestral inbreeding. 

[eylchamps]

What was the impetus for the birth of Proud Boys and QAnon? 

The worship to one man's populist slogans and punch lines.

And now that the orange clown has taken over the RNC, GOP is enslaved to him. Can someone please enlighten us on how this is great for the party?

[izne1home]

Can someone please enlighten us on how this is great for the party?

Most conservatives are somewhere between unhappy and enraged with the direction of our country, watching what they see as a feeble angry old man, with his cadre of perverts and socialists, usher in the erosion of our core values.  I don't think they are making long-range strategic plans with candidates to help the party.

It looks more like they are trying to survive and Honest Don has managed to sell himself as the only strongman capable of squashing the enemy and setting our country right again, along with the rest of the world (Iran and Moscow). 

The GOP believes we need a hero.  Come to think of it, Trump has a lot in common with Bruce Wayne.  One way or the other, we only have ourselves to blame.

[Timmy Winn]

Most conservatives are somewhere between unhappy and enraged with the direction of our country, watching what they see as a feeble angry old man, with his cadre of perverts and socialists, usher in the erosion of our core values.  I don't think they are making long-range strategic plans with candidates to help the party.

It looks more like they are trying to survive and Trump has managed to sell himself as the only strongman capable of squashing the enemy and setting our country right again, along with the rest of the world (Iran and Moscow). 

The GOP believes we need a hero.  Come to think of it, Trump has a lot in common with Bruce Wayne.  One way or the other, we only have ourselves to blame.

Man the way you guys on the right romanticize Trump and now you turn him into Batman? You are HILARIOUS. At least I am able to see Biden for what he is. GOP is so cute that it is a clamoring for a superhero. Unfortunately this is the real world and those guy don't exist. I'm more interested in a person with moderate positions, which Biden pretty much has been. He's kept the extreme left (AOC and her ilk) on the back burner...when's the last time you heard anything from her? Trump on the other hand emboldened the extreme right and created unprecedented divide (you know the 'insurrection' and election fraud claims). GOP is looking for 'daddy' in every possible way. Rule me Trump!

[Timmy Winn]