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Maybe to a point.

The problem lies when a school of 3000 gets pushed down to play those with 650 kids it really isn't a level playing field (or vice versa).  There's a point where numbers become a major problem.

Literally every athlete who could help the team in most schools with 500-750 kids is on the team. And that is simply not the case in most big schools.  Dos Palos, Caruthers, Fowler, Woodlake, Liberty (Ranchos), etc. have around 20% of their male population playing football. 

Public schools need a population ceiling they won't go past, and a floor they can't go under.  Private schools should simply be placed in whatever division they belong (usually 1-2, but there exceptions for the really small ones).

Good point. Some of the really small schools have closer to 60% of the male population playing.

Oh yah, I've experienced kids that acted like they were doing me a personal favor when they were put into the game to play some defense...

Hold the phone...

The CN rings say 13-0... c'mon man!

Just lost a little respect for those guys. And I really respect how that program typically does business.

[Whatever we do for playoffs I hope that it's a system where the biggest schools in the area are always placed in D1It's so embarrassing when any Clovis school, or some of the big Bakersfield schools, willingly accept an invite to a lower division playoff.I'd put Bullard football in that category when they "won the D2 title" (lol) in 2021]

Whatever we do for playoffs I hope that it's a system where the biggest schools in the area are always placed in D1

It's so embarrassing when any Clovis school, or some of the big Bakersfield schools, willingly accept an invite to a lower division playoff.

I'd put Bullard football in that category when they "won the D2 title" (lol) in 2021

We've been down this road a million times. No one wants McLane, Roosevelt and Fresno High playing up just because they have over 3,000 students. BIGGER schools is just a silly notion. CN has half the student bodies of those schools but no one in their right mind wants CN playing in D2 and those big enrollment schools playing D1...

McLane has over 3,000 kids with about 800 eligible.

We've got to get rid of the big school small school language. It's just silly in the central valley demographic.

Yes its official, we will have Div1A and Div1AA, meaning Div 1 will field 16 teams. I am curious, could someone on here way smarter than me (and with more time) take last years playoff brackets and re-do them with this format? I am curious to see how or if this affects the remaining divisions and if it does, positively or negatively.

I believe this was part of the discussion when they announced it to the league reps and it had Hanford as the top seed in the D1AA bracket.

I was reflecting today on how many teams may never win another section title until we change the current playoff system. Let's say a team is base D2. Under the current system, any years when you are actually good enough to win the big game, you are going to get moved up to D1. In the years in which you lose enough games to stay down, your team isn't good enough to win the title.

You've got to have enough down years where you get placed incorrectly and then make a run.

Lemoore comes to mind. They had a cluster of bad seasons, were placed in D3 and then the talent pool shot up so they made that run to back-to-back D2 title games.

I know in 2025 it's about to get a little weirder at the top with a second tier of D1 being put into place. The top 8 teams will play for a D1A title and #9-16 will play for D1AA. Not sure that I have the names correct.

Its odd because I would think its exactly the opposite, in running the spread there are a couple things that it seems are musts: OL must be ale to pass protect tp protect the QB, QB & WRs must be able to read defense to recognize blitz and know who the hot route is. WRs have to be good route runners.

Key words "coaches believe"

I don't think it's true. Sometimes after you have faced really high quality spread teams with great athletes, it's downright laughable with teams with no speed line up in spread.

I believe that a CE or even a Central would of matched up better than CN. You know like they say the right boxer or fitting their style. CN played into what DLS does. Where CE and Central would of also put them in space. I am not saying they would of won, but I think it would of been a different game than what North showed and the excuses they got for it. Everyone keeps saying beat up. Maybe I missed something because North could of lost to East twice , Central had them and CW the first time. The ball rolled in their favor and they took advantage of the situation.

That's the nature of smashmouth football, a lot of low scoring tight games. Gotta play good defense since you're fresh after that offense took 12 plays to score. Games will stay close with the CN style but the better team at the tangibles typically wins: can you block and tackle?

I fully understand why spread is so popular, coaches believe they can make up for inadequecies in certain areas.

The DLS game was embarrassing. I hope it motivated the guys coming back.

I'd argue that the DLS game wasn't a bit embarrassing for Clovis North because they got that far...

It was super embarrassing for the Central Section because no one could figure out how to defend them they way that DLS did.

All this spread offense has gotten everyone soft...

Yes. They hired the Clovis West offensive coordinator who couldn't figure out how to run an offense with 3 D1 receivers. If he wasn't busy rotating quarterbacks they were just taking deep shots.

The real downfall was the complete inability to run the ball vs. constant 7man boxes...

Me too. Plus Madsen is so underrated defensively. He will anchor that D next year. I expect better play at QB for the Broncos next year too. I think you've got to knock out the champ. Until someone beats them they are my number one. Clovis East has a lot of guys coming in and Miller is really dynamic. Their problem is keeping points off the board. Hard to win championships without a strong D. Maybe they'll improve there, but I wouldn't give them number one over CN.

He's really impressive. Wild to see a kid that big playing up on the hash as a safety. I imagine he'll bulk up just a bit and play LB at the next level.

I'd think something like this:

1.) Clovis North
2.) Clovis East
3.) Central
4.) Hanford
5.) Liberty
6.) Clovis
7.) St. Joe's
8.) Frontier
9.) Clovis West
10.) Lemoore/Sanger

1) CE
2) Frontier
3) Central
4) Liberty
5) Clovis
6) Clovis North
7) Sanger
8) Hanford
9) Clovis West
10) St Joe

CN brings back both of those monster RBs, don't see them being this low. Hanford bascially didn't lose anyone and they have been getting new transfers in daily with the changes at Lemoore, CVC and SJM it may be even more.

Looks like it was faster than that.  Apparently he accepted this morning. 

Arax is CVC's new HC.

He must have taken a retirement from his public school teaching career and then took whatever CVC could pay him on top.

Is this an actual rumor or just a personal suggestion?

Rumor

The Clovis North kid Madsen is ranked #2 in the nation in discus and has multiple offers in football.

The Antill is pretty sure the information imparted to Tee Shepherd was spot on and crystal clear.  Tee (who was at Central the time) wanted to leave early for Notre Dame but because Central had a higher number of units needed to graduate, he would not have graduated by December. He could have stayed at Central and graduated in June or transfer to another school that has fewer graduation/unit requirements.  He chose to return to Washington Union (his original school) where he had enough units to graduate early.  But, he ran into an eligibility issue (assume it had to do with a full family move) at "The Union" that nullified his senior season. He chose to remain at Washington Union and just attend school in order to graduate and leave for Notre Dame in January (of which he did). While he had the GPA and HS diploma in hand...(according to the ND site NDinsider.com) Tee had issues with a qualifying SAT/ACT score...and was forced to return to a JC (Holme Community College in Miss.). Tee then transferred to Ole Miss...and left the team after one season.  Tee was a great kid...who faced struggles with a hearing issue, that made verbal communications (on field) difficult, when adjustments and coverage changes were needed (pre-snap).  He was a magnificent "one on one" cover guy...but at the collegiate level, sometimes you have to jump out of calls via verbal communication.  In conclusion, Tee did not get bad information (the options were crystal clear)...and he, along with his family made their choice (go to the "Union" and sit out his senior season, graduate early and then leave for ND early).  No bad advice conspiracy theory here.

The Anthilllegend 

In my humble opinion, someone did that kid a disservice by playing him on defense. If you are hearing impaired, you are going to absolutely struggle playing in most defensive schemes. Especially at the D1 level at Central. You sure as heck can't play D1 college football if you can't make verbal coverage checks.

Over the last 10 seasons, excluding the shortened spring 2021 covid season & adding in the 2013 season:
 
Clovis 70
Buchanan 68
Clovis North 66
Clovis West 49
Clovis East 33

Not super shocked by the bottom two but Clovis being at the top kind of surprises me. I assumed Buchanan was at the top with Clovis & North in the middle.

Those numbers are why I was so surprised by Hammonds firing... I thought they always played good enough defense under him to stay in most games.

Yes and that game against BHS is actually what lead me to conclude their rankings over all the VC teams historically. I did not witness it in person obviously but found it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tKcX6OO7M

These guys are good, and I know right away people on here are going to blab about how big they were, well guess what non of that matters because the BHS were big (actually even bigger) too.

@darthbacker, you have named a lot of players from this team. To your knowledge did any of them wrestle or do any martial arts outside of playing FB (or any other sports?)

Well, the reason Redwood had 2 losses and a tie that season were very simple. They started the season with the wrong kid at QB. Mario Cellilo was inserted in the second half of the Golden West loss (GW went 11-1 that season, losing to CW in the second round) and they never looked back. He was a junior that season and I think he only wound up with 1 or 2 losses in his career. He produced 2 of the 3 highest scoring offenses in Redwood history. But the real bread and butter was the Redwood defense which is arguably the best defense in Valley history. They produced 3 D1 players: Maurice Rodriguez (Fresno State, Kansas City Chiefs) Grant Harrington (Fresno State Wrestling and Football) and Jacob Yavasile (Miami of Ohio).

[1995- Redwood vs Mt. Whitney]

Requesting game film from any of these games if anyone knows any leads on any of them. Even highlights would be appreciated. Whatever remittance and If delivery is the only option or there is a need from transferring VHS/DVD to Digital I am willing to pay for production. If there are any other games anyone wants (does not have to involve a certain league let alone any of these schools, please feel free to utilize and post on this thread
I can also add to the list)

Thanks!

1995- Redwood vs Mt. Whitney
1999- CW vs Mater Dei
2000- Buchanan vs Liberty
2003- CW vs CE(Finals)

2004 -CE vs LB Poly
2004- CW vs Edison (regular game)
2004- CW vs Central (in talks with a forum member who may have it but not sure. other leads appreciated)
2004- CW vs Edison (playoffs)
2004- Sanger vs Edison
2004- CW vs Stockdale

2005- BHS vs Antelope Valley
2005- CW vs DLS
2005- CW vs Edison
2005- CW vs Cen. Corona
2005- CW vs Central
2005- CW vs Buchanan
2005- CW vs CE
2005- CW vs Madera (playoffs where CW was eliminated with 12+ returning starters)
2005- Clovis VS CE (playoffs, CE eliminated with Slocum and many returning starters)


2006- CE vs Bakersfield (playoff)



NOTE: In case anyone may be wandering the 2004 CW vs CE playoff it is worthless, TRUST ME.. I was there.

Not sure why you'd want a 30-0 Cowhide game...

Didn't the Golden Eagles play pretty football for about 4 years after Hartigan left.  Marty Martin came with in an eyelash of a VC the first year post Hartigan. In year two (after Hartigan) Gary Joe Kinney won a Valley Title.  Then again (4 years Hartigan AD)....Mike Parsons won a VC against the B-town Drillers.  So the drop off really started in about 2011.  The Anthill is a big fan of Jim Hartigan....but, his run was not as impressive as Randy Blankenship's. Just the Legends opinion.

The Anthilllegend

The thing that I noticed about both of those men was their militaristic approach really worked for Clovis West and those types of kids that could be coached "hard". Hartigan was next level when it came to that.