Private vs. Public Morality

[diesel]

Thanx...does this mean football and I are part of the club?  :)

Iz teaches the secret handshake......

[OriginalCVFan]

I don't think he's ignoring anything.  He's saying that Big Business and Big Govt. are one and the same.  They are so intertwined that instead of doing something about it, we argue over which is which.  Is it the crack dealers' fault or the crack head?  Six of one, half a dozen of the other.....

Which one is it.  For most of the posts you say its corporations controlling big government, now you are saying they are equal.  You need to stay on task.  He is not saying they are one and the same, and you didnt present them as being one and the same.  BOth his article and your representation of the article focuses on business being the evil empire, and the government the puppet. You cant have your cake then backtrack Diesel!!

I will REQUOTE my last paragraph which I HOPE helps people understand the pecking order.....
Reich has it backwards.  Do PRIVATE INTERESTS(saying corporations is misleading and incorrect) affect Public interests, absolutely.  However Reichs position is 180 degrees backwards.  The question is 'Who is walking the dog"    For the last 50 years, it has been government with the leash, and private sector being pounded into submission.  Reich(representing the most LIBERAL of Liberals) wants the general uneducated public to think its the other way around, so they can continue to swell their ranks of voters.  This, coupled with the proliferation and growth of free giveaways is a masterful way of gaining control, but at the cost of speeding up the demise of our great country. 

Yes, private interests have their fingers in the pot, and TRY AND DO 'INFLUENCE" politics.  However the BIG difference is, the word INFLUENCE.  Government, on the other hand CONTROLS business with the ability to legislate any CONTROL they want into reality. If you, or anyone anywhere thinks that Influence is more powerful than CONTROL, then we need to go back to some very basic discussions to try and override some biases that are the core of some peoples misunderstandings.

[diesel]

Which one is it.  For most of the posts you say its corporations controlling big government, now you are saying they are equal.  You need to stay on task.  He is not saying they are one and the same, and you didnt present them as being one and the same.  BOth his article and your representation of the article focuses on business being the evil empire, and the government the puppet. You cant have your cake then backtrack Diesel!!

Our govt. is filled with people who have interests that are counter to the good of the people.  The marriage of our govt. to the corporation will be the downfall of our society.  We value corporate gains over social justice because the only thing that matters anymore is how the economy is doing.  You can see it from the other end of the spectrum if you like.  I see it as a free for all and the people with the most money are winning!  And access to the political process is bought and paid for.

[OriginalCVFan]

Our govt. is filled with people who have interests that are counter to the good of the people.  The marriage of our govt. to the corporation will be the downfall of our society.  We value corporate gains over social justice because the only thing that matters anymore is how the economy is doing.  You can see it from the other end of the spectrum if you like.  I see it as a free for all and the people with the most money are winning!  And access to the political process is bought and paid for.

The LESS GOVT one has, then the less influence corporations have over the government.  Government is being INFLUENCED by private interests(quit saying CORPORATE, thats a sound bite reference and is intellectually misleading if not downright dishonest) that is a fact.  However, the less CONTROL government exudes, then the less INFLUENCE private parties will try too, need too, or have access too, INFLUENCE.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.  The more CONTROL a govt has, the more the very thing you despise actually occurs.  Thats the lunacy of the situation, and thinking govt is the PAWN is incorrect.  Government is the Heart and brains(neither side has a souls)  private entities are just the arms, legs, and extremities that do all the work. 

The item in red, is 100% accurate.  Your reference to it as a marriage is so very  close to reality its comical.  Some marriages work.  All have problems.  However, when one side of the marriage is doing all the work, while the other side is making all the rules, doing work, but not adding anything to the equation other than making rules, then goes out and spends all the money(Actually MORE MONEY) that the side that is MAKING ALL THE MONEY EARNS, it is DOOMED from the start. 

Now, if goernment could just start GOVERNING, instead of trying to control, and RUN everything, and money wasnt involved, (less taxes, and NO political contributions) then you would have what you want. However, every time you want MORE government control, you actually are HELPING the very thing you are railing against.

[Just_A_Fan]

Thanx...does this mean football and I are part of the club?  :)

Always.... :u: :u:

[Just_A_Fan]

The LESS GOVT one has, then the less influence corporations have over the government.  Government is being INFLUENCED by private interests(quit saying CORPORATE, thats a sound bite reference and is intellectually misleading if not downright dishonest) that is a fact.  However, the less CONTROL government exudes, then the less INFLUENCE private parties will try too, need too, or have access too, INFLUENCE.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.  The more CONTROL a govt has, the more the very thing you despise actually occurs.  Thats the lunacy of the situation, and thinking govt is the PAWN is incorrect.  Government is the Heart and brains(neither side has a souls)  private entities are just the arms, legs, and extremities that do all the work. 

The item in red, is 100% accurate.  Your reference to it as a marriage is so very  close to reality its comical.  Some marriages work.  All have problems.  However, when one side of the marriage is doing all the work, while the other side is making all the rules, doing work, but not adding anything to the equation other than making rules, then goes out and spends all the money(Actually MORE MONEY) that the side that is MAKING ALL THE MONEY EARNS, it is DOOMED from the start. 

Now, if goernment could just start GOVERNING, instead of trying to control, and RUN everything, and money wasnt involved, (less taxes, and NO political contributions) then you would have what you want. However, every time you want MORE government control, you actually are HELPING the very thing you are railing against.

Yet another spot on post from OCVF.....nicely done  :u: :u:

[diesel]

The LESS GOVT one has, then the less influence corporations have over the government.  Government is being INFLUENCED by private interests(quit saying CORPORATE, thats a sound bite reference and is intellectually misleading if not downright dishonest) that is a fact.  However, the less CONTROL government exudes, then the less INFLUENCE private parties will try too, need too, or have access too, INFLUENCE.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.  The more CONTROL a govt has, the more the very thing you despise actually occurs.  Thats the lunacy of the situation, and thinking govt is the PAWN is incorrect.  Government is the Heart and brains(neither side has a souls)  private entities are just the arms, legs, and extremities that do all the work. 

The item in red, is 100% accurate.  Your reference to it as a marriage is so very  close to reality its comical.  Some marriages work.  All have problems.  However, when one side of the marriage is doing all the work, while the other side is making all the rules, doing work, but not adding anything to the equation other than making rules, then goes out and spends all the money(Actually MORE MONEY) that the side that is MAKING ALL THE MONEY EARNS, it is DOOMED from the start. 

Now, if goernment could just start GOVERNING, instead of trying to control, and RUN everything, and money wasnt involved, (less taxes, and NO political contributions) then you would have what you want. However, every time you want MORE government control, you actually are HELPING the very thing you are railing against.

The "control" you're railing against is exactly what Big Business wants.  Nothing happens at the federal level that isn't exactly what the MONEY wants.  Why do you think alternatives to oil are still in their infancy?  Because big oil WANTS it that way......

[Football]

Thanx...does this mean football and I are part of the club?  :)

Always.... :u: :u:

Thanks guys  ;)

[OriginalCVFan]

Morality breeds moral behavior, just as immorality breeds immoral behaviour.  It starts with the individual.

For example, if I'm preoccupied with buggering the pool boy, it's unlikely I'm going to spend much time worrying about Wall Street.

IZ, I thought they told you at your intervention sessions you were NOT supposed to talk about that......problem? :shy:

[OriginalCVFan]