Texas v CA Taxes

[BallGuy]

Hey all, thought this was interesting. Some of the verbiage here is clearly left, but thought it'd be good to show something for talking points. TX is getting flooded with CA folks fleeing taxes, but the data here shows it won't help much. Seems like the link is an article about an article, and since I'm a millennial who doesn't pay for subscriptions outside of what can be used on a firestick, I am pasting this link.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php

[izne1home]

Hey all, thought this was interesting. Some of the verbiage here is clearly left, but thought it'd be good to show something for talking points. TX is getting flooded with CA folks fleeing taxes, but the data here shows it won't help much. Seems like the link is an article about an article, and since I'm a millennial who doesn't pay for subscriptions outside of what can be used on a firestick, I am pasting this link.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php

I don't think it is a tax issue as much as a quality of life issue.  Most people who are already inclined to relocate (usually more conservative types) will gladly pay a little extra to escape this liberal cesspool and live with like-minded people out in the middle of desolate Nowhere, Texas.  If California and Texas were toss-ups, then the taxes would be relevant. 

[eylchamps]

My family is from Texas. My grandparents are Texans. My parents live in Texas. I would not move to Texas. I see no reason to ever live in Texas. I pick California over Texas every time. You might need to compare LA to Houston or small town here to small town there, California over Texas, no comparison.
If we are talking football, California has smashed Texas schools in the past couple of years.

[Cristobal]

Being able to drive 2 hrs to any type of weather out weighs all the bad.

[eylchamps]

Being able to drive 2 hrs to any type of weather out weighs all the bad.

Amen 100x

[izne1home]

My family is from Texas. My grandparents are Texans. My parents live in Texas. I would not move to Texas. I see no reason to ever live in Texas. I pick California over Texas every time. You might need to compare LA to Houston or small town here to small town there, California over Texas, no comparison.
If we are talking football, California has smashed Texas schools in the past couple of years.

Not to mention that Texas is ranked #1 in natural disasters.  Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought all occur in the state.

[eylchamps]

Not to mention that Texas is ranked #1 in natural disasters.  Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought all occur in the state.

Ranked 50th in mental health services. So don't get crazy in Texas, no help for you.  :D

[izne1home]

Ranked 50th in mental health services. So don't get crazy in Texas, no help for you.  :D

They'll just put you on a bus and send you to a sanctuary city.  They might be onto something...

[Coastfan]

On that note, I applaud Gov. Abbot and whoever else is involved with busing illegal immigrants to these sanctuary cities! Shines a light on those cities pandering and using political speech to pat themselves on the back, while also cries out (yet will go unheard) for establishing an effective and expedited immigration policy for the many and many immigrants that want to become American citizens legally.

[izne1home]

Lifted this from the Mayor of Newport Beach...

You know who's moving away from CA in herds?  Cows and wealthy people.

The OC Register ran an article a couple of weeks ago explaining that California's Air Resources Board – the group that recently banned sales of gas powered vehicles by 2035 – have created a "Dairy and Livestock Greenhouse Gas Emissions Working Group."  According to that group, dairy and livestock are responsible for over half of CA's methane emissions.  Cows generate methane through their manure and burps ("enteric emissions").

The manure emissions can be reduced using anaerobic digester systems.  The OC Register reports that digesters cost ~ $6mm to add one at a 2,000 cow farm.  There are ~1.7 million dairy cows in CA.  (Oh, side note, your tax dollars are helping to pay for those digesters, of which only ~120 have been installed.)

The burps, though, can't.  And they account for ~30% of CA's methane emissions. So how can dairy farms help meet the legislators' 2016 goal of reducing emissions from farms by at least 40% by 2030?  Get rid of the cows of course!

But it's not like the dairies are killing the cows.  They're selling them to other farms in other states that don't have CA's regulatory environment.

Clearly this just shifts the issue across state lines, which is apparently called "leakage."  But hey, CA's numbers get to look better.  Right?

Perhaps CA is trying to solve wealth inequality the same way.  Wealth inequality in CA exceeds all but four other states.  What's the easiest way to fix that?  Export wealth apparently.

The SF Chronicle reported recently that ~39k SF residents who had filed federal tax returns for 2018 had moved out of the city before filing 2019 returns. Collectively, they took $10.6 billion in income with them while people who moved to the city during that period reported just $3.8 billion in income.

The areas that benefitted the most on average from these movers were states with no or very low personal income taxes (WY, FL, UT, NV, etc.).

With more taxes being proposed on the ballot this November, CA's already highest-in-the-nation income tax may lead to a stampede.

[TeddyKGB]

I have a few friends that just moved out of California to Texas and a couple to other "southern" states... In Texas they will still be taxed however from what I understand and I haven't looked into it the taxes stay local rather than go off to the state level to be dispersed foolishly, thus the better school facilities. My opinion those that is a solid benefit. But to believe that you are going to have a "better" life there I don't buy that just like I didn't buy that 99% of CW's team was catholic. California ranks 30th in Poverty Texas 37th, I found a stat from 2019 in Cal 13.4% lived below the poverty line, in Texas it was 14.7%, the population of Cal is 39.35 mil Texas 28.64 mil. Doesn't seem to me like things are that much better in Texas, you're either gonna work hard and be successful or you're not.

As for HS football, the powerhouse teams of California have beat the Texas teams the last couple of years but I also attribute that to those teams (SJ Bosco and Mater Dei) being parochial schools in a very densely populated part of the state that is very rich in talent. Texas football on a Friday night vs California is like comparing an SEC football game to Cal Poly SLO playing Fresno St.

[izne1home]

Interesting...  https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/compare/california.texas

Fresno or El Paso...  https://www.texasrealestatesource.com/blog/texas-vs-california/

Teddy still has 3 active warrants in Texas, so his observations are purely academic.

[TeddyKGB]

Teddy still has 3 active warrants in Texas, so his observations are purely academic.

wait...what? You said you got that cleared!

[izne1home]

wait...what? You said you got that cleared!

I said I almost got it cleared.  Just stay out of El Paso, Potter, and Bexar Counties and you should be fine. 

[TeddyKGB]

I said I almost got it cleared.  Just stay out of El Paso, Potter, and Bexar Counties and you should be fine. 

good, So I'm ok to visit Dallas, Houston, or Galveston? I have no reason to be in either El Paso, San Antonio or Amarillo.

[izne1home]

good, So I'm ok to visit Dallas, Houston, or Galveston? I have no reason to be in either El Paso, San Antonio or Amarillo.

Good is a relative term.  I'd say you have less of a chance of getting pinched in Dallas Houston or Galveston, but it's still probably 50/50, which is WAY over your risk threshold of 20/80. 

[eylchamps]

Texas schools will have a problem in the future:
In any given year, revenue from property taxes makes up more than half of the state's pot of funds to pay for public schools, the rest of which comes from state and federal sources. Of the $69.3 billion that went to public education in fiscal year 2020, property taxes kicked in $38.4 billion while the state provided $23.3 billion. The rest came from federal funds. "Texas has kind of painted itself into a corner by now having a constitutional prohibition against what is a major source of funding for other states by concentrating on reducing property taxes, rather than expanding the people who pay their fair share," said Dick Lavine, senior fiscal analyst with the liberal-leaning Every Texan.
- The Texas Tribune

Abbott wants to cut property taxes but than means more from feds. More dependent on fed money, talk about socialism? Teachers will not get raises and help. Districts will have to cut back. the kids will get less. 
How great is Texas again?

[Coastfan]

That seems like you are implying that what makes a state great is its state-funded/federally-funded public education system. Maybe Gov. Abbot is examining ways to give parents more choice in determining where their students will be educated and by whom. Maybe their property taxed monies travels with the student...

[eylchamps]

That seems like you are implying that what makes a state great is its state-funded/federally-funded public education system. Maybe Gov. Abbot is examining ways to give parents more choice in determining where their students will be educated and by whom. Maybe their property taxed monies travels with the student...

Ever been to West Texas? Odessa, Midland, Lubbock area
What makes a great state is all the resources for the people that pay.
Dead last in mental health services, you pay taxes to be at the bottom
Teddy stated that they are 37th in poverty. Where is all that money? 

[izne1home]

Madera Unified could be in trouble.  The Madera subbasin is severely overdrafted, and within a few short years, SGMA will force tens of thousands of valuable groundwater-irrigated crop acres out of production, rendering them valueless.   Some estimates are as high as 75,000 acres, or more. 

Do the math...   

[izne1home]