Texas v CA Taxes

[BallGuy]

Hey all, thought this was interesting. Some of the verbiage here is clearly left, but thought it'd be good to show something for talking points. TX is getting flooded with CA folks fleeing taxes, but the data here shows it won't help much. Seems like the link is an article about an article, and since I'm a millennial who doesn't pay for subscriptions outside of what can be used on a firestick, I am pasting this link.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php

[BallGuy]

[izne1home]

Hey all, thought this was interesting. Some of the verbiage here is clearly left, but thought it'd be good to show something for talking points. TX is getting flooded with CA folks fleeing taxes, but the data here shows it won't help much. Seems like the link is an article about an article, and since I'm a millennial who doesn't pay for subscriptions outside of what can be used on a firestick, I am pasting this link.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/texans-pay-more-taxes-than-californians-17400644.php

I don't think it is a tax issue as much as a quality of life issue.  Most people who are already inclined to relocate (usually more conservative types) will gladly pay a little extra to escape this liberal cesspool and live with like-minded people out in the middle of desolate Nowhere, Texas.  If California and Texas were toss-ups, then the taxes would be relevant. 

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

My family is from Texas. My grandparents are Texans. My parents live in Texas. I would not move to Texas. I see no reason to ever live in Texas. I pick California over Texas every time. You might need to compare LA to Houston or small town here to small town there, California over Texas, no comparison.
If we are talking football, California has smashed Texas schools in the past couple of years.

[eylchamps]

[Cristobal]

Being able to drive 2 hrs to any type of weather out weighs all the bad.

[Cristobal]

[eylchamps]

Being able to drive 2 hrs to any type of weather out weighs all the bad.

Amen 100x

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

My family is from Texas. My grandparents are Texans. My parents live in Texas. I would not move to Texas. I see no reason to ever live in Texas. I pick California over Texas every time. You might need to compare LA to Houston or small town here to small town there, California over Texas, no comparison.
If we are talking football, California has smashed Texas schools in the past couple of years.

Not to mention that Texas is ranked #1 in natural disasters.  Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought all occur in the state.

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

Not to mention that Texas is ranked #1 in natural disasters.  Flooding, wildfires, tornados, hurricanes, hail storms, sinkholes, erosion, and drought all occur in the state.

Ranked 50th in mental health services. So don't get crazy in Texas, no help for you.  :D

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

Ranked 50th in mental health services. So don't get crazy in Texas, no help for you.  :D

They'll just put you on a bus and send you to a sanctuary city.  They might be onto something...

[izne1home]

[Coastfan]

On that note, I applaud Gov. Abbot and whoever else is involved with busing illegal immigrants to these sanctuary cities! Shines a light on those cities pandering and using political speech to pat themselves on the back, while also cries out (yet will go unheard) for establishing an effective and expedited immigration policy for the many and many immigrants that want to become American citizens legally.

[Coastfan]

[izne1home]

Lifted this from the Mayor of Newport Beach...

You know who's moving away from CA in herds?  Cows and wealthy people.

The OC Register ran an article a couple of weeks ago explaining that California's Air Resources Board – the group that recently banned sales of gas powered vehicles by 2035 – have created a "Dairy and Livestock Greenhouse Gas Emissions Working Group."  According to that group, dairy and livestock are responsible for over half of CA's methane emissions.  Cows generate methane through their manure and burps ("enteric emissions").

The manure emissions can be reduced using anaerobic digester systems.  The OC Register reports that digesters cost ~ $6mm to add one at a 2,000 cow farm.  There are ~1.7 million dairy cows in CA.  (Oh, side note, your tax dollars are helping to pay for those digesters, of which only ~120 have been installed.)

The burps, though, can't.  And they account for ~30% of CA's methane emissions. So how can dairy farms help meet the legislators' 2016 goal of reducing emissions from farms by at least 40% by 2030?  Get rid of the cows of course!

But it's not like the dairies are killing the cows.  They're selling them to other farms in other states that don't have CA's regulatory environment.

Clearly this just shifts the issue across state lines, which is apparently called "leakage."  But hey, CA's numbers get to look better.  Right?

Perhaps CA is trying to solve wealth inequality the same way.  Wealth inequality in CA exceeds all but four other states.  What's the easiest way to fix that?  Export wealth apparently.

The SF Chronicle reported recently that ~39k SF residents who had filed federal tax returns for 2018 had moved out of the city before filing 2019 returns. Collectively, they took $10.6 billion in income with them while people who moved to the city during that period reported just $3.8 billion in income.

The areas that benefitted the most on average from these movers were states with no or very low personal income taxes (WY, FL, UT, NV, etc.).

With more taxes being proposed on the ballot this November, CA's already highest-in-the-nation income tax may lead to a stampede.

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

I have a few friends that just moved out of California to Texas and a couple to other "southern" states... In Texas they will still be taxed however from what I understand and I haven't looked into it the taxes stay local rather than go off to the state level to be dispersed foolishly, thus the better school facilities. My opinion those that is a solid benefit. But to believe that you are going to have a "better" life there I don't buy that just like I didn't buy that 99% of CW's team was catholic. California ranks 30th in Poverty Texas 37th, I found a stat from 2019 in Cal 13.4% lived below the poverty line, in Texas it was 14.7%, the population of Cal is 39.35 mil Texas 28.64 mil. Doesn't seem to me like things are that much better in Texas, you're either gonna work hard and be successful or you're not.

As for HS football, the powerhouse teams of California have beat the Texas teams the last couple of years but I also attribute that to those teams (SJ Bosco and Mater Dei) being parochial schools in a very densely populated part of the state that is very rich in talent. Texas football on a Friday night vs California is like comparing an SEC football game to Cal Poly SLO playing Fresno St.

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

Interesting...  https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/compare/california.texas

Fresno or El Paso...  https://www.texasrealestatesource.com/blog/texas-vs-california/

Teddy still has 3 active warrants in Texas, so his observations are purely academic.

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

Teddy still has 3 active warrants in Texas, so his observations are purely academic.

wait...what? You said you got that cleared!

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

wait...what? You said you got that cleared!

I said I almost got it cleared.  Just stay out of El Paso, Potter, and Bexar Counties and you should be fine. 

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

I said I almost got it cleared.  Just stay out of El Paso, Potter, and Bexar Counties and you should be fine. 

good, So I'm ok to visit Dallas, Houston, or Galveston? I have no reason to be in either El Paso, San Antonio or Amarillo.

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

good, So I'm ok to visit Dallas, Houston, or Galveston? I have no reason to be in either El Paso, San Antonio or Amarillo.

Good is a relative term.  I'd say you have less of a chance of getting pinched in Dallas Houston or Galveston, but it's still probably 50/50, which is WAY over your risk threshold of 20/80. 

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

Texas schools will have a problem in the future:
In any given year, revenue from property taxes makes up more than half of the state's pot of funds to pay for public schools, the rest of which comes from state and federal sources. Of the $69.3 billion that went to public education in fiscal year 2020, property taxes kicked in $38.4 billion while the state provided $23.3 billion. The rest came from federal funds. "Texas has kind of painted itself into a corner by now having a constitutional prohibition against what is a major source of funding for other states by concentrating on reducing property taxes, rather than expanding the people who pay their fair share," said Dick Lavine, senior fiscal analyst with the liberal-leaning Every Texan.
- The Texas Tribune

Abbott wants to cut property taxes but than means more from feds. More dependent on fed money, talk about socialism? Teachers will not get raises and help. Districts will have to cut back. the kids will get less. 
How great is Texas again?

[eylchamps]

[Coastfan]

That seems like you are implying that what makes a state great is its state-funded/federally-funded public education system. Maybe Gov. Abbot is examining ways to give parents more choice in determining where their students will be educated and by whom. Maybe their property taxed monies travels with the student...

[Coastfan]

[eylchamps]

That seems like you are implying that what makes a state great is its state-funded/federally-funded public education system. Maybe Gov. Abbot is examining ways to give parents more choice in determining where their students will be educated and by whom. Maybe their property taxed monies travels with the student...

Ever been to West Texas? Odessa, Midland, Lubbock area
What makes a great state is all the resources for the people that pay.
Dead last in mental health services, you pay taxes to be at the bottom
Teddy stated that they are 37th in poverty. Where is all that money? 

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

Madera Unified could be in trouble.  The Madera subbasin is severely overdrafted, and within a few short years, SGMA will force tens of thousands of valuable groundwater-irrigated crop acres out of production, rendering them valueless.   Some estimates are as high as 75,000 acres, or more. 

Do the math...   

[izne1home]

[Coastfan]

I have never been to Texas, I am not a Texas apologist; I was merely offering a different perspective instead of the one you seemed to be speculating about what potentially could happen to public schools in Texas with the idea of lowering property taxes.

[Coastfan]

[izne1home]

Teddy stated that they are 37th in poverty. Where is all that money?

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

my guess is that the money is in the Dallas/Forth Worth Metroplex and Houston area, I'd guess that much like California you have multimillion dollar homes and 30 minutes away you have projects. You have to remember that in Texas the ISDs build one stadium that all their schools share, my guess is that is the model Doc Buchanan followed.

[TeddyKGB]

[eylchamps]

That beautiful stadium and not one Texas football team travels outside of Texas to play the better teams. They use, we have no money to travel, excuse.

[eylchamps]

[eylchamps]

I have never been to Texas, I am not a Texas apologist; I was merely offering a different perspective instead of the one you seemed to be speculating about what potentially could happen to public schools in Texas with the idea of lowering property taxes.

If you read that pieces of that article, yes, schools are going to be hurting because the people want to pay little to no taxes. Every single cousin of mine, some are teachers, complain that they pay too much in taxes and think we are crazy to pay more. Either Texans are not bright or they're about to get hit hard with reality.

[eylchamps]

[BallGuy]

my guess is that the money is in the Dallas/Forth Worth Metroplex and Houston area, I'd guess that much like California you have multimillion dollar homes and 30 minutes away you have projects. You have to remember that in Texas the ISDs build one stadium that all their schools share, my guess is that is the model Doc Buchanan followed.

Story that kinda relates-buddy of mine coaches at DLS and they were hosting whatever juggernaught from TX. They went out to eat with the coaches at some steakhouse in Walnut Creek and the issue of the check comes. TX coach finally says, "fine, with a program that you built, I'm guessing that bank account is twice mine anyhow." DLS coach "crap, I'm making 90k as a teacher with a 10k stipend." TX coach, "I'm getting 10k bonus if I beat y'all tomorrow, and 150k to teach football PE every year".

[BallGuy]

[TeddyKGB]

In Texas the Football coaches have a strong union THSCA, much like the teachers union here in California. Coaches in Texas get fired they are out of a job and usually they don't answer to the school principal their boss is the superintendent.

from a USA Today article: "MaxPreps recently tweeted out a graphic listing the five highest-paid high school football coaches in Texas — Lake Travis' Hank Carter, Carthage's Scott Surratt, Austin Westlake's Todd Dodge, Katy's Gary Joseph and Highland Park's Randy Allen. Carter, Surratt and Dodge all make at least $150,000 per year."

[TeddyKGB]

[CWClassof2007]

In Texas the Football coaches have a strong union THSCA, much like the teachers union here in California. Coaches in Texas get fired they are out of a job and usually they don't answer to the school principal their boss is the superintendent.

from a USA Today article: "MaxPreps recently tweeted out a graphic listing the five highest-paid high school football coaches in Texas — Lake Travis' Hank Carter, Carthage's Scott Surratt, Austin Westlake's Todd Dodge, Katy's Gary Joseph and Highland Park's Randy Allen. Carter, Surratt and Dodge all make at least $150,000 per year."

I know of two head coaches in Clovis United that make $200K. They're not football coaches either.

[CWClassof2007]

[TeddyKGB]

I know of two head coaches in Clovis United that make $200K. They're not football coaches either.

is CUSD nonunion?

[TeddyKGB]

[eylchamps]

The coaches at the panhandle, south valley and west Texas are not making that much. 

[eylchamps]

[Coastfan]

If you read that pieces of that article, yes, schools are going to be hurting because the people want to pay little to no taxes. Every single cousin of mine, some are teachers, complain that they pay too much in taxes and think we are crazy to pay more. Either Texans are not bright or they're about to get hit hard with reality.

So, are you arguing that people need to pay more taxes in order to continue to fund public schools or merely pointing out that reducing property taxes will have an adverse effect on Texas public schools (and in the meantime, not making any sort of judgment against or for that)?

[Coastfan]

[TeddyKGB]

The coaches at the panhandle, south valley and west Texas are not making that much.

like in California the top teams at the bigger schools get the big pay days...Westlake (Austin), Katy, Allen those big 6A and 5A Just like the schools in the Trinity league here 

[TeddyKGB]

[eylchamps]

So, are you arguing that people need to pay more taxes in order to continue to fund public schools or merely pointing out that reducing property taxes will have an adverse effect on Texas public schools (and in the meantime, not making any sort of judgment against or for that)?

Education is my biggest liberal issue, we need to invest in our education. When you cut education, that will have drastic affect on current and future generations. We can't afford to lose a generation or two. Just an example in reverse, my parents and grandparents were fieldworkers, they invested in us getting an education. We now have MDs, lawyers, teachers, admin and business owners, generational changes. Their sacrifice was worth it. I am sure you can share a similar story.
If the state wants to go backwards, by all means. Just don't complain about how bad things are in the state (in general) and the state now has to sacrifice and invest to recover. Too late, poor and uneducated communities.
Coast, all is good. I don't get offended easily. I can break bread with anyone regardless of party or views. if you get a chance, take a trip down I10 and go see the south/southwest. Watch a football game and try a Whataburger.

[eylchamps]

[izne1home]

The coaches at the panhandle, south valley and west Texas are not making that much.

They probably don't need to.  HC jobs at programs with stadiums like that come with cars, houses, travel expenses, and plenty of other perks. 

[izne1home]

[izne1home]

I know of two head coaches in Clovis United that make $200K. They're not football coaches either.

CUSD chief architect Doc Buchanan always said the district is built on the back of its athletic programs. 

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

Education is my biggest liberal issue, we need to invest in our education. When you cut education, that will have drastic affect on current and future generations. We can't afford to lose a generation or two. Just an example in reverse, my parents and grandparents were fieldworkers, they invested in us getting an education. We now have MDs, lawyers, teachers, admin and business owners, generational changes. Their sacrifice was worth it. I am sure you can share a similar story.
If the state wants to go backwards, by all means. Just don't complain about how bad things are in the state (in general) and the state now has to sacrifice and invest to recover. Too late, poor and uneducated communities.
Coast, all is good. I don't get offended easily. I can break bread with anyone regardless of party or views. if you get a chance, take a trip down I10 and go see the south/southwest. Watch a football game and try a Whataburger.

I have always said that it's the 3rd generation that makes the biggest leap up the food chain... It has always been that way the Irish, Italians, Jews and Poles followed those steps when they arrived at Ellis Island, Mexicans and South Americans are in the 4th generation now. This is one of my favorite quotes or stories (not sure how true it is that its a quote)
   The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country. He replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover...but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."

I'm not a big fan of WHATABURGER... or IN n Out for that matter... I always prefer to eat at the local joints.

[TeddyKGB]

[Coastfan]

Education is my biggest liberal issue, we need to invest in our education. When you cut education, that will have drastic affect on current and future generations. We can't afford to lose a generation or two. Just an example in reverse, my parents and grandparents were fieldworkers, they invested in us getting an education. We now have MDs, lawyers, teachers, admin and business owners, generational changes. Their sacrifice was worth it. I am sure you can share a similar story.
If the state wants to go backwards, by all means. Just don't complain about how bad things are in the state (in general) and the state now has to sacrifice and invest to recover. Too late, poor and uneducated communities.

I appreciate the response and this is what I was drilling down on because I wanted to understand/clarify what you were writing before I assumed I understood what you were communicating. I can appreciate your story and where you are coming from. I share the belief that education is important. I would consider "getting educated" or "learning" the most important secular endeavor any person can take part in. The sacrifices you described that your parents took are exactly what so many parents understand for their future generations. I am in complete agreement with you on these things.

Where I begin to veer into another lane is the public education model. The most influential figures in the public education model, Horace Mann and John Dewey, wanted to set up a system where young people could be inculcated in shared democratic/civic values and in the ways of the world. Both had a vision of using public/community schools as places to remove a child's thinking from their parents/families' way of thinking (John Dewey more blatant than Mann) and create shared common values. Now, on its face, this does not seem like a completely horrible idea. Except, in our culture, the concept of shared common values is more political than it has ever been. I do not know what you do in your profession, EYL, but listening to the ideas/concepts and "things to improve schools" now during "professional development" and staff meetings are littered with an ideological agenda to further inculcate students with an mindset that confronts (and not in a good way) reality.

As a public school educator for almost two decades, I completely understand the value of an education. Public education, on a whole, should be a choice. The shut down of our schools during the Covich demonstrated that parents have options and that public schools are not the only option. The monies parents and the general taxpayer pay from property taxes and the like, should travel with the students regardless of their choice. If that means the demise of public schools in areas, then that is a problem I would welcome as it would force us back into a competitive model of striving to create the best systems and models for students to learn.

[Coastfan]

[eylchamps]

I have always said that it's the 3rd generation that makes the biggest leap up the food chain... It has always been that way the Irish, Italians, Jews and Poles followed those steps when they arrived at Ellis Island, Mexicans and South Americans are in the 4th generation now. This is one of my favorite quotes or stories (not sure how true it is that its a quote)
   The founder of Dubai, Sheikh Rashid, was asked about the future of his country. He replied, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I ride a Mercedes, my son rides a Land Rover, and my grandson is going to ride a Land Rover...but my great-grandson is going to have to ride a camel again."

I'm not a big fan of WHATABURGER... or IN n Out for that matter... I always prefer to eat at the local joints.

Whataburger is a better version of Sonics. Church's chicken is the best in Texas. And of course, being from the motherland, got eat the chivo (goat).

That statement is true. Our future generations will not remember all the work we did to put them ahead.

[eylchamps]

[eylchamps]

I appreciate the response and this is what I was drilling down on because I wanted to understand/clarify what you were writing before I assumed I understood what you were communicating. I can appreciate your story and where you are coming from. I share the belief that education is important. I would consider "getting educated" or "learning" the most important secular endeavor any person can take part in. The sacrifices you described that your parents took are exactly what so many parents understand for their future generations. I am in complete agreement with you on these things.

Where I begin to veer into another lane is the public education model. The most influential figures in the public education model, Horace Mann and John Dewey, wanted to set up a system where young people could be inculcated in shared democratic/civic values and in the ways of the world. Both had a vision of using public/community schools as places to remove a child's thinking from their parents/families' way of thinking (John Dewey more blatant than Mann) and create shared common values. Now, on its face, this does not seem like a completely horrible idea. Except, in our culture, the concept of shared common values is more political than it has ever been. I do not know what you do in your profession, EYL, but listening to the ideas/concepts and "things to improve schools" now during "professional development" and staff meetings are littered with an ideological agenda to further inculcate students with an mindset that confronts (and not in a good way) reality.

As a public school educator for almost two decades, I completely understand the value of an education. Public education, on a whole, should be a choice. The shut down of our schools during the Covich demonstrated that parents have options and that public schools are not the only option. The monies parents and the general taxpayer pay from property taxes and the like, should travel with the students regardless of their choice. If that means the demise of public schools in areas, then that is a problem I would welcome as it would force us back into a competitive model of striving to create the best systems and models for students to learn.

I total understand where you are coming from and I also learned something new today. I did not know about Mann and Dewey. thank you Coast. I am in forensics. I work in the only forensic hospital in the country. If we go back to Texas, I asked my cousin about private schools. In the area that my family is from, south valley, there is only one private school and it's 40-50 miles away in a bigger city. So, all the kids are "stuck" in public schools. Texas, from what I gathered from her, are not pushing private school athletics and private school recruiting. They don't mind the academics but not athletics. So, the districts "push" the sports and private schools push academics. Again, from what was told to me.
I agree with you, our money should follow the child to private or public schools. I think we have more options than other states. I have been to other states and there are no private schools in the city or towns that I have visited. I think we are blessed to have private schools in abundance. State might need to allow more private schools.
Coast, great talk, I really appreciate having a great discussion. Plus, Teddy and Izne did not hijack this thread, YET!!!!  :D

[eylchamps]

[TeddyKGB]

Plus, Teddy and Izne did not hijack this thread, YET!!!!  :D

I have never hijacked a thread...I merely suggest that direction be changed.

[TeddyKGB]

[BIG SKIN]

I moved to North Iowa.... open carry....concealed carry(dont need a permit) ....and those nice III% people next door made it worth it. Not to mention 85.00 for car registration, Ya....we call it IOWA ;-)

[BIG SKIN]

[izne1home]

Plus, Teddy and Izne did not hijack this thread, YET!!!!  :D

As a loyal subject of the British Empire, I will remain in mourning until further notice. 

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

As a loyal subject of the British Empire, I will remain in mourning until further notice.

after those two British airline attendants looked at you like a commoner and you claim allegiance to the crown?

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

after those two British airline attendants looked at you like a commoner and you claim allegiance to the crown?

I know the whole Great Britain, British Isles, United Kingdom thing is confusing, but we were on that cheap Dublin airline you found on kayak.com and those chicks were Irish.

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

I know the whole Great Britain, British Isles, United Kingdom thing is confusing, but we were on that cheap Dublin airline you found on kayak.com and those chicks were Irish.

I got us upgraded to Business didn't I?

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

I got us upgraded to Business didn't I?

Yes, but in all fairness, it was us and 3 other people on the flight. 

[izne1home]

[eylchamps]

so now we are talking about airlines and upgrades. This thread has been officially hijacked.  :D

[eylchamps]

[TeddyKGB]

Yes, but in all fairness, it was us and 3 other people on the flight.

upgrade is an upgrade!

[TeddyKGB]

[TeddyKGB]

so now we are talking about airlines and upgrades. This thread has been officially hijacked.  :D

it was only a matter of time...

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

Plus, Teddy and Izne did not hijack this thread, YET!!!!  :D

so now we are talking about airlines and upgrades. This thread has been officially hijacked.  :D

Yes, but it took 4 days.  Usually, it's 4 minutes. 

[izne1home]

[TeddyKGB]

Yes, but it took 4 days. Usually, it's 4 minutes.

what are words that a woman has never said to izne?

[TeddyKGB]

[izne1home]

what are words that a woman has never said to izne?

I've always had a strong work ethic.

[izne1home]

[myjkoelsmor]

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