This year Clovis Unified has (and is still in progress) basicallly wiped the valley out in regard to D1 and D2 valley titles. Some have thought that the gap between the Emerald City and the not so fortunate has been narrowing...........but after looking at the net result, it was another landslide for the power district. While the haul of titles for CUSD was gluttenly like..........their ever present brides-maid Kern County schools barely made a dent in the trophy haul. Kern County won 3 girls championships and managed only 2 boys titles (Centennial in boys golf and Tehachapi in D2 football). Below is a relatively complete list of the Clovis Unified team champions and runner-ups for the 2010-11 school year..........and the same for Kern High School District.
Clovis Unified School District
Football D1 Champions Clovis West
Tennis D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Tennis D1 Boys Champions Clovis West
Volleyball D1 Girls 2nd Clovis West
Volleyball Boys D1 2nd Clovis West
Water Polo D1 Boys Champions Clovis West
Baketball D1 Boys 2nd Clovis West
Swimming & Diving D1 Boys Champions Clovis West
Swimming and Diving D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Track and Field D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Golf D1 Girls 2nd Clovis West
Golf D1 Boys 2nd Clovis West
Water Polo D1 Boys 2nd Clovis High
Wrestling Valley and State Champions Clovis High
Swimming and Diving Boys D1 2nd Clovis High
Swimming and Diving Girls D1 2nd Clovis High
Basketball Girls D1 2nd Clovis East
Soccer D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Soccer D1 Girls 2nd Buchanan
VolleyBall D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Cross Country D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Cross Country Grils D1 Champions Buchanan
Track and Field D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Baseball D1 Baseball Champions Buchanan State Champions and National Champions
Tennis Girls D2 Champions Clovis North
Water Polo Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Tennis Boys D2 Champions Clovis Noth
Golf Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Basketball Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Cross Country D2 Girls Champions Clovis North
Swimming and Diving Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Swimming and Diving Girls D2 Champions Clovis North
Badmitten Girls Section Champion (says Central Section Champions, is this a club sport?)
Badmitten Girls 2nd Buchanan (see above)
Kern County Schools
Golf Boys D1 Champions Centennial
Golf Girls D1 Frontier
Volleyball Girls D1 Champions Centenniall
Football D1 2nd Bakersfield
Wrestling D1 2nd Bakersfield
Soccer D2 Girls Champions Golden Valley
Softball D1 2nd Stockdale
Baseball D1 Centennial 2nd
Baseball D2 Frontier Champions
The Anthill may have missed a champion/runner-up or two, but the message is still loud and clear................the gap is cavernous between the Emerald City and the rest of the pack.
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.................because the Golden Eagles chase for the most all-around VC's in section history against Bakersfield High (CW is 70 years younger).........got a major boost this year. Golden Eagles could have as many as 7 more VC's, while the Drillers may get shut out.
The Anthilllegend
*yawn*
Knight, give him a break, when you bite, you feed the beast!!!! The list of accomplishments stands on its own, the attempt at imagery to fuel the flame is fun to read, but the more you bite, the more you feed the Beast.
That being said, does anyone else on here get a kick out of the fact that anthill uses a reference to Emerald City when referring to Clovis? The Emerald City, the Capitol of the LAND OF OZ, has always been used in reference to a Fantasy Land, a destination at the END of the YELLOW BRICK ROAD. However, as we all know from the story and movie itself, when one gets to the end of the Yellow Brick Road, one uncovers the smoke and mirrors that are the basis for the outside perception. :huh:
I may be paraphrasing, but in the original book "the wonderful wizard of oz" everyone that visited the city had to wear special glasses,(Green in the book, rose colored in clovis if I recall, as so many people have mentioned in the past on here haha) where when one takes the glasses off, one realizes the city itself isnt anything special, its just an illusion, perpetuated by myth and "legend". (sorry the set up was just too easy)
In todays society, the Land of Oz, has come to be a phrase closely associated with fantasy, where when one reaches the Emerald City, one reaches the reality of broken dreams and reality unveiled. I find the use of the term Emerald City incredibly ironic and humorous myself.
Impressive list of accomplishments, yes it is. Funny how Clovis West is also in Fresn 8)o, not Clovis, the land of oz!
Quote from: OriginalCVFan on May 22, 2011, 08:17:12 AM
Funny how Clovis West is also in Fresn 8)o, not Clovis, the land of oz!
I heard that a group of influential CW parents are consulting with the Bullard Pride attorneys about deannexing from the City of Fresno.
This post is nothing more than a dog barking up the wrong tree with no bite. To the parents and coaches of Kern County high schools please disregard this rubbish.
Anthil, do these facts make you feel better about yourself? There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. You see yourself as a confident guy who loves all things Fresno.
You just get off on insulting Kern County high schools, taunting them because they are not up to your standards. Honestly I don't think the majority of Fresno residents are sitting
at home asking, "I wonder how we can continue the dominance of Bakersfield's high schools." Or, "I think we need to validate this beyond the playing fields."
Don't compare Clovis Unified to Kern High. It's night and day. You are talking about a district in Kern High that is light years behind Clovis. They don't have the funds. No that is not
an excuse. They wanted to cut JV sports all together a couple years ago to save $430,000. Your schools were built to succeed and dominate. Just like with anything when you throw
down more money for facilities, have better booster clubs, and larger schools then of course higher participation and winning will follow. Also last time I checked Kern High schools
don't have Badminton, Boys Volleyball, or Water Polo. And if they had it there way they wouldn't have a few other sports on that list that Clovis dominates. Sports are just not in the
top 5 priorities for some of the area schools. Obviously Bakersfield High school cares about winning and preserving that more than the other high schools. Case in point the loose
boundary lines that favor the Drillers. But the school board and most parents aren't concerned about tradition.
People like you teach high school students to win at all costs and just dominate Bakersfield schools. While the others are more concerned with helping them learn and develop in the class room.
We teach them to respect the opponent at all times. Without the opponent there is no game and no way for you and Fresno to dominate. Maybe Bakersfield should not play Fresno any more.
Is winning truly the only thing that matters to you and your CUSD? What happens to these kids once they leave Fresno and go out into the world? How important are these useless statistics?
Go ahead give me a bunch of minuses next to my name. I'm sure I will. These kinds of posts are degrading.
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 21, 2011, 11:24:43 PM
This year Clovis Unified has (and is still in progress) basicallly wiped the valley out in regard to D1 and D2 valley titles. Some have thought that the gap between the Emerald City and the not so fortunate has been narrowing...........but after looking at the net result, it was another landslide for the power district. While the haul of titles for CUSD was gluttenly like..........their ever present brides-maid Kern County schools barely made a dent in the trophy haul. Kern County won 3 girls championships and managed only 2 boys titles (Centennial in boys golf and Tehachapi in D2 football). Below is a relatively complete list of the Clovis Unified team champions and runner-ups for the 2010-11 school year..........and the same for Kern High School District.
Clovis Unified School District
Football D1 Champions Clovis West
Tennis D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Tennis D1 Boys ( #1 Clovis West vs. #2 Liberty-Bak Tuesday)
Volleyball D1 Girls 2nd Clovis West
Volleyball Boys D1 2nd Clovis West
Water Polo D1 Boys Champions Clovis West
Baketball D1 Boys 2nd Clovis West
Swimming & Diving D1 Boys Champions Clovis West
Swimming and Diving D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Track and Field D1 Girls Champions Clovis West
Golf D1 Girls 2nd Clovis West
Golf D1 Boys 2nd Clovis West
Water Polo D1 Boys 2nd Clovis High
Wrestling Valley and State Champions Clovis High
Swimming and Diving Boys D1 2nd Clovis High
Swimming and Diving Girls D1 2nd Clovis High
Basketball Girls D1 2nd Clovis East
Soccer D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Soccer D1 Girls 2nd Buchanan
VolleyBall D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Cross Country D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Cross Country Grils D1 Champions Buchanan
Track and Field D1 Boys Champions Buchanan
Tennis Girls D2 Champions Clovis North
Water Polo Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Tennis Boys D2 Champions Clovis Noth
Golf Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Basketball Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Cross Country D2 Girls Champions Clovis North
Swimming and Diving Boys D2 Champions Clovis North
Swimming and Diving Girls D2 Champions Clovis North
Badmitten Girls Section Champion (says Central Section Champions, is this a club sport?)
Badmitten Girls 2nd Buchanan (see above)
Kern County Schools
Football D2 Champions Tehachapi (the Warriors are in their own district...... but close enough!!!)
Golf Boys D1 Champions Centennial
Golf Girls D1 Frontier
Volleyball Girls D1 Champions Centenniall
Football D1 2nd Bakersfield
Wrestling D1 2nd Bakersfield
Soccer D2 Girls Champions Golden Valley
D1 Baseball and Softball are still in progress........CUSD has the #1 state and #1 nationally ranked Buchanan Bears along with two-time National Champion Clovis High still in the hunt....Kern County has Centennial the #2 seed. In softball CUSD will be shut out.........and Stockdale is the favorite to win it. Frontier is the favorite to win D2 baseball as well and Liberty could still win in tennis this week!!!!
The Anthill may have missed a champion/runner-up or two, but the message is still loud and clear................the gap is cavernous between the Emerald City and the rest of the pack.
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.................because the Golden Eagles chase for the most all-around VC's in section history against Bakersfield High (CW is 70 years younger).........got a major boost this year. Golden Eagles could have as many as 7 more VC's, while the Drillers may get shut out.
The Anthilllegend
Ant, while I respect your vast knowledge in Clovis West sports and maybe all of Clovis, for that matter. You're post is not comparing apples to apples. In reality if you were comparing cities to cities, well that may be a better comparison. Let's say that Fresno were to combine all schools and have just six High Schools as does Clovis, and then let Bakersfield combine all their schools to equal the six that Clovis has, and then maybe there could be an apples to apples ratio comparison at that point. Until then any post about the mythical Emerald City being the most prominent City in the Valley in all of Athletics, is like saying that the Moon is made of Cheese, If Pigs could Fly, Pot of Gold at the end of a Rainbow, The Boogie Man is in your closet, The most interesting Man in the World (although I think he is the most realistic...ha ha), Trix are for Kids, Coo Coo for CoCoa Puffs, etc..etc.
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 22, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
What happens to these kids once they leave Fresno and go out into the world? How important are these useless statistics?
The only thing that trumps CUSD's athletic performance might be it's academic performance. And if you believe the architect of CUSD, Doc Buchanan, the district was built on the back of its varsity coaches. So there is a tie-in.
QuoteYou act like the only thing Clovis Unified cares about is sports. I know multiple people in my class alone who have gone on to Ivy League schools, Stanford, and other great universities. Then there are the people who go to smaller schools or schools like Fresno State, like myself, who graduate and succeed in life. Yes they care about sports but as much as you hate them academics do and always will come before sports.
That is great to hear... Awesome! Let's hear more about these stories. I do not hate them. I will root against them when it comes to my home town vs. them. What I hate is when a post such as this is made that suggests any school (Kern County in particular) other than Clovis should be inferior and held hostage to it's "so called" dominance. Sometimes the systems in place are not level playing fields. This is not the NFL where every franchise is held to the standard of winning the Super Bowl.
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 22, 2011, 02:37:44 PM
That is great to hear... Awesome! Let's hear more about these stories. I do not hate them. I will root against them when it comes to my home town vs. them. What I hate is when a post such as this is made that suggests any school (Kern County in particular) other than Clovis should be inferior and held hostage to it's "so called" dominance. Sometimes the systems in place are not level playing fields. This is not the NFL where every franchise is held to the standard of winning the Super Bowl.
How did my post suggest that Kern County schools are inferior to Clovis? All I did was point out facts stating that CUSD doesn't put athletics ahead of academics like you implied. You are right about the systems in place aren't leveling the playing field. But that is a part of life and everyone has to deal with it at some point.
Not your post, the great Anthil. I never implied Clovis doesn't put academics ahead. What I believe is that academics are higher (or highest) on the pecking order for Kern High.
And compared to Clovis Unified, it's not even close where athletics fall. Kern High wants to compete and win in sports but they don't stack up overal with CUSD for the various
reasons outlined in my first post. They want win and fire coaches at the drop of a hat but they won't do anything to support the coaches, staffs, and schools to get better.
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 22, 2011, 03:10:29 PM
Not your post, the great Anthil. I never implied Clovis doesn't put academics ahead. What I believe is that academics are higher (or highest) on the pecking order for Kern High.
And compared to Clovis Unified, it's not even close where athletics fall. Kern High wants to compete and win in sports but they don't stack up overal with CUSD for the various
reasons outlined in my first post. They want win and fire coaches at the drop of a hat but they won't do anything to support the coaches, staffs, and schools to get better.
I agree from what I have read on here and heard from other people from Bakersfield about KHSD and not trying to make their schools better athletically. I guess it is financial but I think parents and boosters could get something done when it comes to facilities.
izne1home.............is completely correct................Clovis Unified was built on a model that emphazied discipline and athletics. Doc Buchanan knew that if he could discipline the district (regement it) and hire role models to lead it (Fresno Unified coaches) that he could win athletically. This fostered a positive perception (winning) of the district which led to a mass migration to the district by families that wanted to be a part of a "winner." That led to new homes being built (expensive homes) that had the highest taxation rate and fees to developers in the north valley. In turn.............those home buyers agreed....many times over to be taxed by additional school bonds (some over lapping) to build the best facilities/schools in the section. It only stood to reason that families who wanted to win.......work hard........pay for the best........would also rise to the top academically....and they have One Clovis administrator once told the "legend" that the secret to building something.... is doing it right the first time.......it cost three times as much and twice as long...... to correct it later. He said......they buy the best money can buy.....so they don't have to buy it over in a few years. This is where other districts that have attempted to mirror the Doc Buchanan model have failed....they want to take short cuts. The Anthilllegend does not believe that Doc's schematic can be duplicated in this valley......some have tried to develope a cheap redentition of his model (mainly elementary youth athletic programs)......but they missed out on the first phase of his plan.........and that was to discipline the general populus of the district. That's why he hired all the coaches in Fresno Unified back in the day. Coaches are displinarians by nature, regmented people, that know how to develope and execute a game plan.........and that's what Clovis Unified did......they executed a game plan.........and did it over and over. Doc Buchana did it first... at Clovis High School.....he made them the "School of Champions"....and then repeated the plan four more times. Thus...... you have a machine....developed for the purpose of educating and developing successful people.............people are drwan to Clovis Unified by excellence, in sports, in academics, in co-curricular activites, in facilites, in leadership (administration and staff) and in neighbor hoods. The Anthillegend was making a point of the futility of attempting to catch these people from an athletic perspective. The record shows that we are not getting any closer to breaking down the walls of the Emerald City............they seem to be getting stronger (athletically). A young energetic coach...... not to long ago............told the Anthill that Clovis Unified was not the same as it use to be (athletically speaking)....that the walls were crumbling....that impending doom was on the horizon........he could not have been wronger!!!!! The "legend" posted the statistical information to bring attention to the fact that they are not folding their cards................."if you do what you have always done, then you will be what you have always been." And nothing really seems to be changing!!!!!
The Anthill was sitting in his office (Saturday night) with his research and development staff, when it struck him......that Clovis UNified was on the verge of winnign about 7 or 8 valley titles in a bout a 5 day period. Then he recalled all the other titles during the year (23 total)............and posted that CUSD was on a damn tear athletically. He validated it with information (stats), and noted that the number one contender (KHSD) was a distant second. Maybe next year will be different..............but history says it won't be!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..............................because Clovis West could have been part of Fresno Unified..........but some suit (FUSD)................... back in the day wanted to go the cheapest route.
The Anthilllegend
I don't think anyone has a problem with what CUSD has accomplished or the way it was accomplished. The problem lies with the way Anthill addresses the issues. His third person crap and arrogance rub many wrong, including myself. Now that I know who you are I can't for the life of me figure why you feel so superior or want to project yourself as such. Not very flattering, in fact it rather arrogant.
Quote from: CVFeetball on May 22, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
The KHSD will not allow parents and boosters to make facilities better if one of the other not as "fortunate" schools will not get the same. The KHSD wants all the schools to be on level playing field. In your case it would be like all CUSD and FUSD schools would be one district and if Clovis West Boosters come up with $100K for their facilities but Hoover or one of the other City schools can only come up with $25K, then that is unfair and the District would step in and forbid Clovis West from upgrading unless they agree to kick in to help the other less "fortunate" schools. That is one of the reasons you really cant compare CUSD schools to Bakersfield Schools. One other issue is the KHSD facility folks are union; so boosters, parents, and coaches for that metter, are not allowed to spend money to have others work on the facilities or even work on the facilities themselves, unless the union approves it.
When I was at CW, we did get some feedback and general parameters from the DO regarding fundraising, but we were generally left to our own devices. One of the main differences you point out is facilities upgrades. At CUSD, that would be off limits for a boosters club without jumping through a lot of district hoops. We fund raised for things that directly affected the kids and coaches - uniforms, meals, travel expenses, equipment, etc.
But ultimately, the last thing the DO would want to do is stifle parent support and involvement. That is the death knell. You are either building support, or you are losing support. CUSD would rather raise the money and figure out how to spend it, than kill the fundraiser in its infancy based on 'fairness'.
The Antrhill obviously has bent Coach9 again..........so what's new. Coach9 if you really know who the Anthilllegend is....... ..then you know that the Legend could care less what you think of him. The Anthill has been controlling this site for the last 12 years (since it's inception). The Anthillis role on the site.........is legendary.......hence the name Anthill-legend.
The Anthill has been sent to keep the preps.com interesting and at times controversial. The Anthill rarely says things that are mundane.........we all know theere are enough of those posts on here. The problem is some people are in denial..........or do not want to hear the truth. The Anthill and his staff.......debated long and hard before posting the commentary about the number of Clovis Unified Valley Championships in the 2010-11 school year. But in the end the staff and the Legend felt it was news worthy (recognition of the students of CUSD sensational year). The Anthill also felt that comparing CUSD accomplishments to it's nearest competitior (KHSD)...was the best way to show the widening differential between the two..........to bring clarity the feat!!!! The Anthilllegend stands by his recent post..............and all of his past posts!!!!! The Legend will continue to enlighten the visitors to this site in his recgonizable third person style (it's what makes the Legend..........well the legend). The Anthill recommends that you.... Coach 9 take three deep breaths when you come across the Anthill literary works......and step slowly away from the computer...... and leave the room. But.....you know you can't do it..............ignore the Anthill.......you want to read the Anthills posts!!!. Coach9 you are not the first person to obsessed with the Anthilllegend..............and you will not be the last!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West...................................because people like Coach9 continue to feed the beast!!!!!
The Anthilllegend
I know a doctor you need to speak with. The meds aren't all that expensive, you have insurance, right?
The Anthill is second to none when it comes to posting intelligent, informative, and entertaining posts.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 22, 2011, 05:42:28 PM
I know a doctor you need to speak with. The meds aren't all that expensive, you have insurance, right?
Lets see hear coach --I had a long day for a Sunday --Got up at 5 AM, go to office down in the flat lands,worked for 4 hours....came back to the rest home,and worked off and on with a weed eater,a shovel,sistered on a pole to our old P.G. & E. lead in since it was rotten ,--when I would get tired and a little down...did I need meds ?? No , I did not.....thanks to you and the anthilllegend, I can come in ...fire up this site,read you twos posts and feel all is right !I have a good laugh and get back out side and semi work a little more with a smile.You two are great and cheap too ! Keep it up. :u: :u: :u:
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 22, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
I don't think anyone has a problem with what CUSD has accomplished or the way it was accomplished. The problem lies with the way Anthill addresses the issues. His third person crap and arrogance rub many wrong, including myself. Now that I know who you are I can't for the life of me figure why you feel so superior or want to project yourself as such. Not very flattering, in fact it rather arrogant.
I for one enjoy reading the legends posts, they are entertaining, informative and from what I can tell generally pretty accurate. I also like the third person technique, makes for a more entertaining read. As far as arrogance don't you think its just part of the persona? Coach, many of your posts come off as arrogant to me as well. In my eyes this is just a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
As for the legends analysis of the CUSD athletic dominance.... Nail hit on the head.
Quote from: shmeky on May 22, 2011, 07:38:22 PM
As for the legends analysis of the CUSD athletic dominance.... Nail hit on the head.
I don't think anyone denies this.....arrogance is not an attractive trait. How about a little humility? They say team sports do not built character, they reveal it. What do ant's comments reveal? I relate it to the bully on The Simpsons who is always pointing and going "HAHA!!"......it gets old.....pride goeth before a fall.
Diesel, your absolutely right no one likes arrogance but a little cockiness now and again to stir the pot isn't a bad thing. You have been on this site long enough to know Anthilllegend posts with a certain style; arrogant, confrontational, etc. That for me is what makes reading his posts interesting, besides the informative history he throws out. Come on its not like the CUSD players, coaches or administrators are going around being arrogant on a regular basis. This place would be boring if posters were humble all the time. Maybe the legend should take a page from the Obama playbook and apologize for CUSD winning more than their share. :)-
Quote from: shmeky on May 22, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Diesel, your absolutely right no one likes arrogance but a little cockiness now and again to stir the pot isn't a bad thing. You have been on this site long enough to know Anthilllegend posts with a certain style; arrogant, confrontational, etc. That for me is what makes reading his posts interesting, besides the informative history he throws out. Come on its not like the CUSD players, coaches or administrators are going around being arrogant on a regular basis. This place would be boring if posters were humble all the time. Maybe the legend should take a page from the Obama playbook and apologize for CUSD winning more than their share. :)-
For all I know, Ant could be the king czar of the Emerald City! Any one of the people on this site could be teachers, coaches, support staff, admin. in the CUSD! Would it matter?
And CUSD people wonder why the rest of the valley hates the CUSD (Evil Empire).To all Kern County people.This idiot does not represent Fresno but Clovis,you know Clovis with there slogan "Clovis,in the way of life" or in the case of anthill "Clovis,get a life"
QuoteAnd CUSD people wonder why the rest of the valley hates the CUSD (Evil Empire).To all Kern County people.This idiot does not represent Fresno but Clovis,you know Clovis with there slogan "Clovis,in the way of life" or in the case of anthill "Clovis,get a life"
Could you be the greatness of Tyler Bray? If so this does not bode well. It sounds like things are so great there is segregation amongst Clovis and Fresno.
Could it be something so trivial as the Anthils attitude, plays a role?
My thing is this... Anthill does come across as arrogant. That is his schtick or mantra. I get it! But Anthill come on now.. you tend to sensationalize
things to the extreme and showboat your championship victories as if they are your own trophies that you payed for. I am glad you don't coach.
I don't care who you are or what staff (that you have hidden, duct taped in your basement office) advises you to do. Calling out Kern County...
Calling them bridesmaids and saying those bridesmaids got there asses kicked. Those aren't exactly legendary comments. Did the secretary
you had gagged in the coffin recommend those statements? Your folly of vernacular suggests that you don't know how to lose. If you did lose
you'd just admit that even a Kern County school gets lucky sometimes. Even a blind squirrel finds the nut once. This kind of snobbery doesn't go
along way in the realm of great sportsmanship and role modeling. According to you, God ranks a close 2nd to Doc Buchanan for your list of higher
powers. Even though you do bring good facts, your homerism is getting worse than Bako Phats. I never thought that could happen.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I recently moved to Bako from Visalia. There is a heck of lot of talent in both areas, but the fact of the matter is that there are also a heck of a lot more schools in Bakersfield than in Clovis. I live within five minutes or so between Frontier, Liberty, Stockdale and Centennial. So its pretty hard to judge just by Valley titles alone.
Quote from: fogdogs on May 23, 2011, 10:12:02 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I recently moved to Bako from Visalia. There is a heck of lot of talent in both areas, but the fact of the matter is that there are also a heck of a lot more schools in Bakersfield than in Clovis. I live within five minutes or so between Frontier, Liberty, Stockdale and Centennial. So its pretty hard to judge just by Valley titles alone.
There are a lot more students in Bakersfield than Clovis. There should be more schools.
Quote from: fogdogs on May 23, 2011, 10:12:02 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I recently moved to Bako from Visalia. There is a heck of lot of talent in both areas, but the fact of the matter is that there are also a heck of a lot more schools in Bakersfield than in Clovis. I live within five minutes or so between Frontier, Liberty, Stockdale and Centennial. So its pretty hard to judge just by Valley titles alone.
I live with in 5 minutes of so of 4 high schools also... Clovis West, Clovis North, Buchanan & Clovis... but I think you forgot to mention you are near Bakersfield High School... isn't anywhere in Kern Co part of BHS's boundary?! ;)
Ant's argument is not based on the number of schools, in fact if Bakersfield has a lot more schools, in theory, that would give them (Bakersfield) 'more' opportunity to win a Valley Championship. More Schools = More Chances.
Think about it... 5 High Schools in one district (CW, Clovis, CE, Buchanan & CN) overwhelmingly dominate, it really is unbelievable! Except for Clovis - They are all fairly young in terms of age (CW the oldest of those at 35 years, give or take and CN the baby @ just 4 years).
Quote from: Soaring Eagle on May 23, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
I live with in 5 minutes of so of 4 high schools also... Clovis West, Clovis North, Buchanan & Clovis... but I think you forgot to mention you are near Bakersfield High School... isn't anywhere in Kern Co part of BHS's boundary?! ;)
Ant's argument is not based on the number of schools, in fact if Bakersfield has a lot more schools, in theory, that would give them (Bakersfield) 'more' opportunity to win a Valley Championship. More Schools = More Chances.
Think about it... 5 High Schools in one district (CW, Clovis, CE, Buchanan & CN) overwhelmingly dominate, it really is unbelievable! Except for Clovis - They are all fairly young in terms of age (CW the oldest of those at 35 years, give or take and CN the baby @ just 4 years).
I noticed that the Clovis schools also have VC titles in sports that the Bako schools don't compete in......like mens' volleyball and water sports, oh, and BADMINTON?!?!?! Maybe if you're going to compare VC titles, Ant should stick to VC's that BOTH school districts compete in??? Either that, or the Bako schools should come up with some sports that CUSD doesn't compete in so they can pad their VC numbers! LOL!!!
Specifically, what CIF sanctioned sports do the Bakersfield schools not compete in?
Quote from: izne1home on May 23, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
Specifically, what CIF sanctioned sports do the Bakersfield schools not compete in?
boy's volleyball, boy's and girl's water polo, and badminton.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 23, 2011, 11:56:18 AM
boy's volleyball, boy's and girl's water polo, and badminton.
I don't think the Bako schools have boy's and girl's swimming, either......but I'm just guessing.
Quote from: diesel on May 23, 2011, 12:01:31 PM
I don't think the Bako schools have boy's and girl's swimming, either......but I'm just guessing.
They can barely water their football fields let alone fill a pool. They would have to hold their swim meets at the local canal.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 23, 2011, 11:56:18 AM
boy's volleyball, boy's and girl's water polo, and badminton.
Those Bako kids are to tough to waste there time with Water Polo and Badminton, who funds it no one pays to watch it.
Quote from: valleyfan on May 23, 2011, 12:11:14 PM
Those Bako kids are to tough to waste there time with Water Polo and Badminton, who funds it no one pays to watch it.
:u: All about the $$$$ face it.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 23, 2011, 12:13:28 PM
:u: All about the $$$$ face it.
They have the oil revenue and the property taxes it is all about how they spend it!! I would venture to say if Doc Buchanan was down there the same thing would have happened...we just got blessed with him being in the right place!!
To my knowledge all the schools have swimming but I'm not sure about diving. Could be wrong. Garces has a water polo team and maybe BCHS but that's
because they are private schools. That's it. No Badminton or Boys Volleyball. Again I don't think Kern High wants to anti up to more sports programs. They
are strapped as is. There is a shortage of coaches who actually want to donate there time. This is why you see Chad Provensal and various others get out
of coaching at young ages. Too time consuming. It's another job besides teaching. I believe the Porterville coach made a good post on his daily time table.
It was incredible all the things the head football coach does and not lose games.
QuoteAnt's argument is not based on the number of schools, in fact if Bakersfield has a lot more schools, in theory, that would give them (Bakersfield) 'more' opportunity to win a Valley Championship. More Schools = More Chances.
Also you can look at it this way... More teams, more chances to win a championship. But you can also look at it like this- larger schools field more athletes.
More athletes equate to more choices and chances of having better athletes. It would equivilent to putting Centennial and Frontier together as 1 team.
Frontier and Stockdale as 1 team. Independence and Ridgeview as 1 team. And on and on.
Liberty and Stockdale. not Frontier twice...
Quote from: valleyfan on May 23, 2011, 12:11:14 PM
Those Bako kids are to tough to waste there time with Water Polo and Badminton, who funds it no one pays to watch it.
Apparently, you've never played water polo. Below the water, it's a no holds barred wrestling match. Where do you think the butt drag move was developed?
Badminton..., that one's questionable. Kind of like Yard Darts.
Quote from: izne1home on May 23, 2011, 01:08:28 PM
Apparently, you've never played water polo. Below the water, it's a no holds barred wrestling match. Where do you think the butt drag move was developed?
Badminton..., that one's questionable. Kind of like Yard Darts.
From what i know of water polo players its not surprising they started playing with each others butts. your right i have never played it.
Quote from: valleyfan on May 23, 2011, 01:14:14 PM
From what i know of water polo players its not surprising they started playing with each others butts. your right i have never played it.
When I was at Bullard, we were coming in from football practice one night. The pool is right next to the gym and someone popped off about the swim team and how nice it must be in the water. The coach had us go in and put our shorts on, and come back to the pool. We got in the diving pool and he made us tread water as long as we could.
There we were - a group of big strong football players in the pool crying for mercy and trying not to drown, while the swimmers all laughed.
You should try it sometime - while the guy next to you is mule-kicking you in the ba!!s.
valleyfan: "From what i know of water polo players its not surprising they started playing with each others butts. your right i have never played it."
valleyfan, speak to topics you have some knowledge on, obviously water polo isn't one of them. No better conditioned athlete's around, none.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 23, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
valleyfan: "From what i know of water polo players its not surprising they started playing with each others butts. your right i have never played it."
valleyfan, speak to topics you have some knowledge on, obviously water polo isn't one of them. No better conditioned athlete's around, none.
Fair enough, not a fan of water polo.
Clovis Schools are the high water mark in many sports. But its hard to take anything away from Bakersfield, has anyone won more Valley Championships than BHS.
H2O Polo players are on the preferred prospects list for the Seals.
Badminton is only for the girls...I would give anyone here 5 minutes with a high level player and someone would be looking foe the de-fib unit for ya!!!
Take away the days when Hollis Roberts was we we lad, George Nichols was a twinkle in his mother's eye and Getty discovered the oil and CW wins...apples and oranges.
Quote from: valleyfan on May 23, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
Clovis Schools are the high water mark in many sports. But its hard to take anything away from Bakersfield, has anyone won more Valley Championships than BHS.
You are right they have,,,but they have also been around a lot longer.
Bakersfield only had one high school for many, many years. They had ALL the athlete's at one school. Fresno had two and then three schools, finally Bako had two when Fresno's third was being built. Numbers, all about the number of student athlete's. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it was.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 23, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
Bakersfield only had one high school for many, many years. They had ALL the athlete's at one school. Fresno had two and then three schools, finally Bako had two when Fresno's third was being built. Numbers, all about the number of student athlete's. Nothing wrong with it, just the way it was.
Was Fresno twice the size of Bako?
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 23, 2011, 02:21:03 PM
You are right they have,,,but they have also been around a lot longer.
You mean the comparison isn't FAIR?!?! ;)
Quote from: valleyfan on May 23, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
Clovis Schools are the high water mark in many sports. But its hard to take anything away from Bakersfield, has anyone won more Valley Championships than BHS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
Quote from: izne1home on May 23, 2011, 02:59:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
Great answer
this is pretty clever- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1D6hoOFDVw&feature=related
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 23, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
this is pretty clever- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1D6hoOFDVw&feature=related
You know you've arrived when teams that manage to beat you write songs about it and get tattoos.
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 23, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
this is pretty clever- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1D6hoOFDVw&feature=related
That kid sucks and one season doesn't mean they "own clovis". Buchanan was the best CUSD team that year and they didn't beat them because they choked in the playoffs like they always do. CW had one of their worse teams ever. Clovis was how Clovis has been the past five years. Clovis East didn't have their coach and the redistricting has screwed them for a while. Then Clovis North was a third year school with only juniors. All that said Bullard was awesome and I was cheering for them to beat Centennial at that game.
Guess you missed the LITERARY GENIUS of a reply concerning the EMERALD CITY on page 1.
Quote from: izne1home on May 23, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
You know you've arrived when teams that manage to beat you write songs about it and get tattoos.
There must be a 4 volume collection of songs with the other team ending on top :u:
Quote from: bigfan on May 24, 2011, 09:50:42 AM
Ian Anderson...What a concert he did for the TD Club Fundraiser...the best!!
I'm just glad he was available on such short notice after U2's flight got grounded due to the volcano.
Quote from: shmeky on May 22, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Diesel, your absolutely right no one likes arrogance but a little cockiness
It's not cocky, it's confidence. :u:
CW2007: "That kid sucks and one season doesn't mean they "own clovis"."
We don't attack kids is what I remember hearing Big say. Grow -up 2007.
Quote from: shmeky on May 22, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Maybe the legend should take a page from the Obama playbook and apologize for CUSD winning more than their share. :)-
If he took a page from Obama's playbook, Anthill would apologize for CW's dominance prior to 2009, but then turnaround and take direct credit for all subsequent wins.
Quote from: Soaring Eagle on May 23, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
I live with in 5 minutes of so of 4 high schools also... Clovis West, Clovis North, Buchanan & Clovis... but I think you forgot to mention you are near Bakersfield High School... isn't anywhere in Kern Co part of BHS's boundary?! ;)
Ant's argument is not based on the number of schools, in fact if Bakersfield has a lot more schools, in theory, that would give them (Bakersfield) 'more' opportunity to win a Valley Championship. More Schools = More Chances.
Think about it... 5 High Schools in one district (CW, Clovis, CE, Buchanan & CN) overwhelmingly dominate, it really is unbelievable! Except for Clovis - They are all fairly young in terms of age (CW the oldest of those at 35 years, give or take and CN the baby @ just 4 years).
Bakersfield, East Bakersfield, North, South, West, Foothill, Highland, Stockdale, Centennial, Liberty, Ridgview, Golden Valley, Frontier, Independence, Mira Monte .... not to mention Shafter, Arvin, and Kern Valley ...
Apples and Oranges. Population of Bakersfield 338,000 ... surrounding area 675,000 ... high school students in KHSD 37,000 ...
CUSD dosen't have enough high schools for there student population. They aren't getting a better education. Citizens of Clovis aren't getting their monies worth. You've been snookered by the academics again you boobs!!! What are you? A bunch of jocks?
We still have room for another thousand or so kids out here at CN :u: The CUSD bought land for the sixth HS years ago but the Great California Depression of the 21st century put all those plans on hold at least until we fill up all the schools we already have around here.
The way this sate funds public education right now any new schools would have to be made of mud
Quote from: diesel on May 24, 2011, 11:05:16 AM
Not sure how accurate this is but the data is interesting and lends itself to dan's point.
Not really. The two monsters (Central and Sunnyside) are not part of Clovis Unified. Dan's comments were specifically directed at CUSD.
From what I can tell, the kids at CUSD are getting great educations relative to other public school districts in the state. The campuses are not overcrowded - they were designed and staffed to handle that capacity.
Quote from: bksflddan on May 24, 2011, 10:51:43 AM
CUSD dosen't have enough high schools for there student population. They aren't getting a better education. Citizens of Clovis aren't getting their monies worth. You've been snookered by the academics again you boobs!!! What are you? A bunch of jocks?
I wouldn't say that, the students in the KHSD are not stellar in the class room by any means.
Soaring, more high schools mean the talent pool is diluted. Please do not take that as an excuse, the reason CUSD is widening the gap (as Ant states) is because that district understands the how athletic success transfers to the class room and the importance of striving to be the best at EVERYTHING!
Quote from: izne1home on May 24, 2011, 11:45:45 AM
Not really. The two monsters (Central and Sunnyside) are not part of Clovis Unified. Dan's comments were specifically directed at CUSD.
From what I can tell, the kids at CUSD are getting great educations relative to other public school districts in the state. The campuses are not overcrowded - they were designed and staffed to handle that capacity.
I had a feeling you might say that but I included all Fresno/Clovis schools AND Bakersfield Schools because I am not that familiar with all the different school districts that might exist in Bakersfield. I know the Fresno area has CUSD and FUSD but I'm not sure about Bakersfield. If we are comparing districts, maybe someone can take my list and break it down by district for both Bako and Fresno/Clovis. What I find interesting is the disparity differences. Bakersfield seems to have "some" competitive equity when you look at the strength of the teams they field. In Fresno/Clovis it seems there's a clear haves and have-nots system in place. And we all know who HAS, right?
Quote from: diesel on May 24, 2011, 12:01:27 PM
In Fresno/Clovis it seems there's a clear haves and have-nots system in place. And we all know who HAS, right?
Based on your numbers, Central, which is in its own district on the southwest side of Fresno, opposite Clovis, and Sunnyside, which is in Fresno Unified located in south Fresno, should be beating everybody in the valley by several touchdowns.
Clovis Unified high schools average about 2283 kids. Bakersfield public high schools average about 2110. Really not much difference. I find it interesting that Clovis Unified, with a service population of less than 200,000 people, is able to field 4 division 1 teams, whereas Fresno Unified, serving literally twice the population, can field just ONE division 1 competitive team. I'm sure there are socio-economic issues and other factors(or excuses) as to why this is true, but it's obviously not enrollment numbers.
Is the success of Clovis Unified magnified by the ineptitude of FUSD? No wonder Bullard wants to secede.
How many times do we have to discuss the same thing?
Yes, Doc Buchanan had it all figured out and yes you have to do it from the start to get it right BUT a district can get it right when it opens a new school, El Diamante is a great example, it will take years before it reverts back to the VUSD standard.
I agree, it's much harder to fix it than it is to get it right the first time. Clovis is a unique situation that will never be duplicated again. It's a lesson to be learned, you gotta hire as many committed on campus coaches as possible and you can achieve great things as a school. Most principals and almost all supes don't quite understand that.
Coach9 do not read this post..............it's going to upset you!!!! Although the Anthilllegends expertise is in the field of athletics...... he knows a few things about academics/education as well. A few posters (mostly from Kern County) have made reference to Clovis Unifieds focus on athletice/sports and winning may effect theior academic pursuits to some degree.. Some have gone as far as to say that they are deficient in the area of academics (in comparison to Bakersfield High School District). Once again, and with some deep regret the Anthill must inform the general populus of this site..that Clovis Unified is once again superior to Bako high school in academics (according to the State of California). The Legend and his research department have made a list of the API (academic performance index) for the main players in this debate. Below are the numbers for each school in order of their performance (Highland High School is not listed because only 232 of their 1889 students took the test or have not had their scores reported to date).
#1 Buchanan High School 859 CUSD
#2 Clovis North 855 CUSD
#3 Clovis West 853 CUSD
#4 Stockdale 824
#5 Clovis High 818 CUSD
#6 Centennial 815
#7 Clovis East 799 CUSD
#8 Frontier 781
#9 Independence 769
#10 Liberty 765
#11 Ridgeview 727
#12 North High 722
#13 West High 681
#14 South High 678
#15 East High 670
#16 Foothill 654
The Anthill knows that some posters do not want to see these numbers.............strangely enough the athletic rank and file almost mirrors the academic success of the two districts. The Anthill was pretty sure that Clovis Unified was a relative high achiever in the area of academics...it's part of their creed of "Mind, Body, and Soul" If this post upsets anyone on here...please send your complaints to California Department of Education and their Standadized Testing Division.
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West........................because if 5% of the student body hadn't marked all the answers "C" the Golden Eagles could have been #1 !!!!!!!!!
The Anthilllegend
Sorry Ant...
Everyone has that 5% of "C" markers, Clovis West probably has less than that considering their population, nice try tho...
Edison High School 735
Computech 943
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 24, 2011, 01:18:35 PM
Edison High School 735
Computech 943
The Anthilllegend
Their numbers would be a lot lower if it wasn't for Computech and Manchester GATE.
QuoteIf this post upsets anyone on here...please send your complaints to California Department of Education and their Standadized Testing Division.
Anthil...that was funny. Check out what goes on in Clovis West classrooms. Some great academics going on here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4pUkbQiwI
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 24, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Anthil...that was funny. Check out what goes on in Clovis West classrooms. Some great academics going on here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z4pUkbQiwI
Those are part of the 5% who answered all 'C'.... Now you know why ;)
I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, and you're right dan it is apples and oranges, CUSD is a nonunion (unless I'm mistaken) shop...KHSD is union. CUSD teachers have to perform, so its not racial make up or social-economical. Yes social-economical issuse has a lot to do with it.
Quote from: Soaring Eagle on May 24, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
I feel very lucky my children are part of CUSD and there is nothing that can take that pride away! You act like we should appologize for that, but no appology is forth coming, at least not on this front. My pride in CW is as deep as Mr. K town's for Kingsburg!
No one is asking for an apology......Clovis schools are to be commended for the job they do. Don't pretend that you don't have advantages over almost every school in the valley. Win with pride but win with class. Have some humility. "We win because we work hard and we have great parent support and coaches who work hard to prepare our student-athletes well. Our student-athletes aren't inherently better than anyone else. We've just been blessed with a unique situation in a unique area of town. Vendors in our little corner of the world are supportive of our teams and schools which provides us with funding that many schools don't have. We're lucky to be here and proud of our boys."
Would that be so hard? By the way, Mr. Ktown isn't around anymore, either! ;)
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 24, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, and you're right dan it is apples and oranges, CUSD is a nonunion (unless I'm mistaken) shop...KHSD is union. CUSD teachers have to perform, so its not racial make up or social-economical. Yes social-economical issuse has a lot to do with it.
Common misconception, Teddy. CUSD is non-union but they do have tenure. Teachers in Clovis have the same job security as teachers in Bakersfield.
Again apples and oranges ... what is the ethnic breakdown? by race? How many have parents who were born in Mexico or are from single family? CUSD IS Primarily middle and upper middle class not so KHSD ....
KHSD CUSD
Median Income 50,377 53,277
Married families 54% 56%
Ethnicity
Caucasian 46% 48%
Hispanic 40% 30%
African-American 8% 4%
Asian 2% 13%
As far as what percentage were born in Mexico, I have no idea. However, I assume you were alluding to a possible non-English speaking issue with regards to test scores? If so, I respectfully submit that the large Asian population in Clovis Unified(primarily Hmong), might display some of these same issues?
Quote from: diesel on May 24, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
Common misconception, Teddy. CUSD is non-union but they do have tenure. Teachers in Clovis have the same job security as teachers in Bakersfield.
Interesting. How long before tenure kicks in and how do they handle performance evaluations?
I'm not sure that any district to district comparison is going to be apples to apples. There are a lot of variables that impact on academic and athletic success. But in balance, I think the Clovis Unified model works very well.
The discussion about the socio-economic differences is intriguing as it relates to Clovis Unified. Ask a residential developer in northeast Fresno and Clovis and they will tell you that the Clovis Unified school district is at or near the top of their buyer's considerations. The same house, in Fresno Unified, would not fetch the same price. Ask the Clovis Chamber of Commerce about business growth in the greater Clovis area and they will tell you that the magnet Clovis Unified provides to families who relocate is critical.
So, is Clovis Unified successful because it happen to sprout up in the middle of an all white English speaking affluent area of town, or are the demographics of the greater Clovis area partly the result of building a great school system from the ground up before anybody gave much thought to living out there?
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 24, 2011, 02:58:37 PM
Interesting. How long before tenure kicks in and how do they handle performance evaluations?
If they have a clear credential at the start of their position, tenure is a two-year process. Obviously, performance evaluations are handled differently at every district so I don't know the answer to that......
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 24, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, and you're right dan it is apples and oranges, CUSD is a nonunion (unless I'm mistaken) shop...KHSD is union. CUSD teachers have to perform, so its not racial make up or social-economical. Yes social-economical issuse has a lot to do with it.
I don't get this whole union/non-union thing. Every single teacher I had (13 years through FUSD) loved their job and did a great job. Both of my parents are teachers, and they enjoy it and do their best. I seriously doubt teachers get lazy and decide they don't have to perform well because they have tenure and the union protects them. Give it a break.
Ha ha.......
knightsrule: "I seriously doubt teachers get lazy and decide they don't have to perform well because they have tenure and the union protects them. Give it a break."
You really can't be that naive, it's impossible.
Knightsrule, why do you think teachers unions are in place? To protect even the laziest worst teachers out there. Doesn't matter how bad they perform.
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 24, 2011, 04:02:41 PM
Knightsrule, why do you think teachers unions are in place? To protect even the laziest worst teachers out there. Doesn't matter how bad they perform.
What I'm saying is there aren't as many of those as people make it seem.
Quote from: knightsrule04 on May 24, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
I don't get this whole union/non-union thing. Every single teacher I had (13 years through FUSD) loved their job and did a great job. Both of my parents are teachers, and they enjoy it and do their best. I seriously doubt teachers get lazy and decide they don't have to perform well because they have tenure and the union protects them. Give it a break.
HAHAHAHAHA...thanks for the laugh.
Just like lazy cops or lazy firemen or any number of jobs out there, I'm sure there are lazy teachers who are protected by tenure but there is a process that "can" remove teachers who are truly detrimental to their students. Most school district administrators are too "lazy" to put in the time and effort it takes to remove a tenured teacher.
Let's not forget that most teachers became teachers because they WANTED to work with young people and make a difference in their lives. Burnout is high, just ask Teddy! ;)
Theres no doubt that diesel, but to say that anyone protected by a union that will not lose there job doesn't become lazy in their duties is absurd.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 24, 2011, 07:33:28 PM
Theres no doubt that diesel, but to say that anyone protected by a union that will not lose there job doesn't become lazy in their duties is absurd.
To say that anyone who isn't held to any standards will get lazy is absurd. Teachers are held to almost impossible standards. Union protection doesn't guarantee that an employee will get lazy. Keep in mind that teachers go through a lot more education and training than many union members (auto workers, police, corrections, etc.) and that kind of dedication doesn't go away just because they are in a union.
Quote from: knightsrule04 on May 24, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
I don't get this whole union/non-union thing. Every single teacher I had (13 years through FUSD) loved their job and did a great job. Both of my parents are teachers, and they enjoy it and do their best. I seriously doubt teachers get lazy and decide they don't have to perform well because they have tenure and the union protects them. Give it a break.
Yes they do...
I have close family at the very highest level of educational administration and my daughter is a vice principal. Some teachers with tenure know they have union protection and simply don't give a damn plus they are incompetent.
Coach9 do not read this!!!..............Not to break the mojo....................but the Clovis West Golden Eagles just captured their 8th valley title of the year......winning the D1 Boys tennis crown over Liberty of Bakersfield. If the Anthill is correct that is 179 Valley Championships in 33 years.
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.............................because it didn't matter if the coach of the Golden Eagle tennis team was union or non-union.............what mattered was the plan, the effort, the drive, the competition.......and the result!!!!
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on May 24, 2011, 04:02:41 PM
Knightsrule, why do you think teachers unions are in place? To protect even the laziest worst teachers out there. Doesn't matter how bad they perform.
wow...it's true ...your eyes really are brown... :d:
Put another valley for Clovis West. Beat Liberty today in Tennis.
"So, is Clovis Unified successful because it happen to sprout up in the middle of an all white English speaking affluent area of town"
Yes , that is correct --and is much like the Concord school district in the 50's and 60's --when family's fled the Richmond and Oakland areas not because of the school system , but because of the neighborhood changes, just the facts,keep patting yourselves on the back and deny the facts.In 20 years some new area may be just like Clovis Unified and be asking the same question.
Quote from: bksflddan on May 24, 2011, 08:29:12 PM
Yes they do...
I have close family at the very highest level of educational administration and my daughter is a vice principal. Some teachers with tenure know they have union protection and simply don't give a damn plus they are incompetent.
Just like there are "some" administrators who simply don't give a damn and are incompetent. We all have anectdotal evidence that supports our beliefs about teachers and unions. Much of what I've read on here is misinformation and displaced anger about unions in general, which are very different than teacher unions.
Quote from: hsfan on May 24, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
"So, is Clovis Unified successful because it happen to sprout up in the middle of an all white English speaking affluent area of town"
Yes , that is correct --and is much like the Concord school district in the 50's and 60's --when family's fled the Richmond and Oakland areas not because of the school system , but because of the neighborhood changes, just the facts,keep patting yourselves on the back and deny the facts.In 20 years some new area may be just like Clovis Unified and be asking the same question.
Funny....I don't know if I should be offended or flattered that you would quote me! HA!! ;)
Quote from: knightsrule04 on May 24, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
I don't get this whole union/non-union thing. Every single teacher I had (13 years through FUSD) loved their job and did a great job. Both of my parents are teachers, and they enjoy it and do their best. I seriously doubt teachers get lazy and decide they don't have to perform well because they have tenure and the union protects them. Give it a break.
Tenure isn't the only issue with union vs. non-union shops. Maybe the most difficult thing to deal with is work rules. Who is allowed to do what and when. Without those rules people can be more flexible to respond to things as they happen. If Clovis Unified isn't a union district, I'm betting their teachers can be more flexible in how they handle/solve problems. Administrators can be more hands-on, etc. I don't think the majority of teachers get lazy because of tenure although there a definitely some that do.
The other thing I've noticed is administrator creep. When I was in HS 20 years ago in Kingsburg we had one prinicpal and one dean/AD. I'm seeing schools now that will have a principal, vice principal, boys dean, girls dean, etc. Many of these schools aren't much bigger than Kingburg was when I was there. I don't know the reason for this, but I'm sure it takes away from the ability to teach kids as well. Sorry to get on my soapbox.
If you look at a map of Fresno County, the northern growth in Fresno hit the San Joaquin River a few years back. There was some thought that it would jump the river and develop in Madera, but Madera is broke and there is no infrastructure. At that point, it had to go west towards the flat ag lands (Central Unified), or east towards the foothills (Clovis Unified). There has been slow growth east of Fresno in the area served by Clovis East, but most of the growth is north - The Dominion, Woodward Lakes, Copper River Ranch, Harlan Ranch.... Those areas are served by CW, CN, and Buchanan.
So you are right. Clovis was geographically situated to capture the desirable growth. But we still need to give credit where credit is due. CUSD was a decade or two ahead of the curve and they maximized the opportunity. Good schools were there before the big houses.
No, Clovis has more white people, that's why their more successful. :sleep: :sleep:
It's not about race Killa, it's about Economics...
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
It's not about race Killa, it's about Economics...
I got you, rich kids are more athletically gifted. My bad.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
I got you, rich kids are more athletically gifted. My bad.
No, rich kids have rich parents which equates to more resources for the school......and that makes the school more attractive to every kid and every parent! That draws athletes into CUSD's district.....and I'm not saying there's been any inappropriate transerring. I'm saying people will find a way to get into the CUSD borders if they can because CUSD provides a quality service provided by tax dollars from an affluent area (in comparison to other areas in the valley).
Rich kids come from families that value hard work and dedication. Clovis Unified doesn't have the best athletes but they have the most committed kids who maximize their abilities. They are good students who understand concepts and can transfer a gameplan to the field of play with a higher efficiency rate.
Come on ETKIlla don't act like this is a crazy concept.
Look at the dominate schools in each area, there are very few exceptions to this rule. Some examples include:
Sanger
Edison
Dos Palos
Caruthers
You'll find that most of the schools that beat the "Socio-Econmic" barriers facing them do so with a long-standing coach and an even longer standing football tradition. It's no suprise either that most of the school above also fail to succeed in other sports or even academically on the large scheme of things. It's the same reason that El Diamante (and in the past Redwood) has dominated the Visalia football scene, they do it with hard work. All Socio-Economic factors are equal in Visalia (although El Diamante does have a slight edge due to new construction in their area).
Yout can blame CUSD's kids success on a lot of things however remember it is a large part the parentS' fault.
Question: off the top of your head, what percentage of the CUSD student population do you think is:
(a) is Caucasian, and (b) lives in homes their parents own?
(Hint: according to the latest census, Clovis is nearly 80% Caucasian)
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 10:00:14 AM
All Socio-Economic factors are equal in Visalia (although El Diamante does have a slight edge due to new construction in their area).
I would add that in Clovis/Fresno the edge is not quite as slight as the Clovis people would have us believe......FUSD schools are in VERY old areas of town while the Clovis schools are in relatively new areas of town.....
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 10:31:19 AM
I would add that in Clovis/Fresno the edge is not quite as slight as the Clovis people would have us believe......FUSD schools are in VERY old areas of town while the Clovis schools are in relatively new areas of town.....
So based on that, take a shot at my question below.
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 10:00:14 AM
Rich kids come from families that value hard work and dedication. Clovis Unified doesn't have the best athletes but they have the most committed kids who maximize their abilities. They are good students who understand concepts and can transfer a gameplan to the field of play with a higher efficiency rate.
Come on ETKIlla don't act like this is a crazy concept.
Look at the dominate schools in each area, there are very few exceptions to this rule. Some examples include:
Sanger
Edison
Dos Palos
Caruthers
You'll find that most of the schools that beat the "Socio-Econmic" barriers facing them do so with a long-standing coach and an even longer standing football tradition. It's no suprise either that most of the school above also fail to succeed in other sports or even academically on the large scheme of things. It's the same reason that El Diamante (and in the past Redwood) has dominated the Visalia football scene, they do it with hard work. All Socio-Economic factors are equal in Visalia (although El Diamante does have a slight edge due to new construction in their area).
So, what your saying is its the families that make the difference due to the fact that they discipline their kids and value hard work, I can live with that. Maybe parents need to take responsibility for their children and hold them to higher standards. The problem I have with the arguments here is the cookie cutter/perfect lives people think Clovis kids have. Many divorced families ands ingle parent homes. Funny though, there's plenty of low income school districts that over achieve. Seems like people make too many excuses. I'm not saying Clovis doesn't have some advantages, but look at CE. Very low income and still performs better than many out of Clovis schools. Clovis High looks very similar to Fresno schools, no complaining there. You guys have rose colored glasses on when it comes to CUSD. Come spend some time here before you pretend to know the demographics.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 10:31:19 AM
I would add that in Clovis/Fresno the edge is not quite as slight as the Clovis people would have us believe......FUSD schools are in VERY old areas of town while the Clovis schools are in relatively new areas of town.....
You mean old like Bullard with More Million dollar homes than Clovis all put together? HUh, interesting.
Since nobody want to venture a guess, I'll repost my question.
Question: off the top of your head, what percentage of the CUSD student population do you think is:
(a) is Caucasian, and (b) lives in homes their parents own?
(Hint: according to the latest census, Clovis is nearly 80% Caucasian)
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 10:50:50 AM
Since nobody want to venture a guess, I'll repost my question.
Question: off the top of your head, what percentage of the CUSD student population do you think is:
(a) is Caucasian, and (b) lives in homes their parents own?
(Hint: according to the latest census, Clovis is nearly 80% Caucasian)
Caucasion 50%
Live with owned homes 40%
Live with 2 parents 30%
Threw my ownin there just for fun!
When you view educational status over a number of years, you find out that the single most telling factor in education is the education level of the mother.
It's not race, it's not wealth, it's not gender.
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
When you view educational status over a number of years, you find out that the single most telling factor in education is the education level of the mother.
It's not race, it's not wealth, it's not gender.
So now its not the rich kids with good families, its the mothers education, which you're an expert on? Man, you blew it here. You have those numbers handy or are you just pulling crap out of your anus? :d: :d:
It's true.
Even top level educators will tell you differently but when you compare all other stats, it's the most important, think it over for a second before you make uneducated statements.
What does it mean to a household when the mom is educated? More money? Yes. She does the majority of the early education and child rearing? Would a college educated mom understand how important education is? C'mon man, think a little.
So yes, CUSD wins football games simply because they have more mommies with degrees.
I'd bet that's the biggest factor in difference between Bakersfield and Clovis.
From my personal experience, I'd be willing to bet that Bakersfield has WAY more stay home mommies with limited education in relation to Clovis. Those towns have very different economies. Afluent folks in Bakersfield tend to be blue collar business owners. Clovis tends to be a bit more white collar.
So your guessing because you have no clue. Maybe more mom HAVE to work in Clovis. But your non factual claims mean absolutely nothing in a logical argument. Thanks for participating.
This pains me to say, but, I think Darth is right on. :u:
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
So yes, CUSD wins football games simply because they have more mommies with degrees.
Man, you took the transitive property to a whole new level with this one.
Ha!
What I'm trying to explain to you is that a mother's education level can help explain certain statistical anomalies... In other words, if something doesn't quite fit, often times, kids that succeed that come from groups that typically don't succeed, you can often times explain it by looking at the mom's education level. All of the other socio-econmic factors still apply. MOST good students come from wealthy homes. Yes.
Caucasion 50% Close, but a little high
Live with owned homes 40% Close, but a little low
Live with 2 parents 30% Probably pretty close if it is their biological parents
Next?
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
When you view educational status over a number of years, you find out that the single most telling factor in education is the education level of the mother.
It's not race, it's not wealth, it's not gender.
So what does the mother's education have to do with the children being more or less athletic? Does the mom teach the kids the playbook too?
El D has a huge advantage over other Visalia schools if you want to use the socio-economic argument. 63% of all Visalia Unified students qualify for free or reduced lunch, but at El D, it's only 37%. For comparison purposes, Clovis Unified has a 38% qualification for the same program.
As for the education level of the mother, I find that interesting. Is there a study that was done that I can read? It kind of makes sense, to be honest. The numbers I recall don't really seem to support it, though. If I remember correctly, Clovis, Bakersfield and Visalia all have between 10 and 15% of their parents that are not high school graduates and roughly the same percentages that are college grads. They didn't break it down into male and female but I'm assuming it was close to 50-50.
I can safetly say ther is no way in heeeeeeeeyal that the caucasion rate is no where near 80%.....maybe 20 years ago......but those of us that live, shop, go to school, and socialize in teh clovis area know that it has become waaaaaaaaaay more diverse.......census or not......im calling BS on this argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
You mean old like Bullard with More Million dollar homes than Clovis all put together? HUh, interesting.
Exactly! One of the FEW FUSD schools who actually COMPETE in D1.......huh, interesting.
Quote from: Wingman on May 25, 2011, 11:27:45 AM
So what does the mother's education have to do with the children being more or less athletic? Does the mom teach the kids the playbook too?
They make their own plays, their so darn educated. The annexation of Puerto Rico!
Quote from: Wingman on May 25, 2011, 11:27:45 AM
So what does the mother's education have to do with the children being more or less athletic? Does the mom teach the kids the playbook too?
Dont bother Wing, he's grasping at straws.
Quote from: ghost of tom flores on May 25, 2011, 11:29:40 AM
I can safetly say ther is no way in heeeeeeeeyal that the caucasion rate is no where near 80%.....maybe 20 years ago......but those of us that live, shop, go to school, and socialize in teh clovis area know that it has become waaaaaaaaaay more diverse.......census or not......im calling BS on this argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it was 77%, and it might have been an older census, but that kind of proves the point here. Clovis is not a bastion of wealth and posh living with PdD moms sporting around in Bentleys.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
Exactly! One of the FEW FUSD schools who actually COMPETE in D1.......huh, interesting.
Really, so in your argument, why are they not as DOMINATE as CW or the other Clovis schools? Come on bro, they got the money, eduacated moms, white kids? I mean, they should be right there with Clovis schools right??? Wrong. Your theories are way off.
No where in the valley is a bastion of wealth but Clovis is pretty close in comparison.
Killa? What's your agenda? Not grasping at straws here my man, I'm talking about 15 years of looking at educational statistics and seeing a major factor that jumps out almost everytime you evaluate. Mommy education matters man, bigtime. BUT, yes, it's just a small look at a bigger picture. But it matters none-the-less.
Quote from: Wingman on May 25, 2011, 11:35:38 AM
This ain't yo daddy's playbook anymore. Momma's been watching Sportscenter and the NFL Chanell.
Only in Clovis, Fresno mom's cant afford the NFL network. That explains it.
Quote from: ghost of tom flores on May 25, 2011, 11:29:40 AM
I can safetly say ther is no way in heeeeeeeeyal that the caucasion rate is no where near 80%.....maybe 20 years ago......but those of us that live, shop, go to school, and socialize in teh clovis area know that it has become waaaaaaaaaay more diverse.......census or not......im calling BS on this argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just drive by Millbrook & Teague to verify you point!!
Quote from: bigfan on May 25, 2011, 11:36:58 AM
Just drive by Millbrook & Teague to verify you point!!
That's a Fresno location...not included in Clovis. You'll get em next time kido!
Ok Killa, I see where you're going, yes, the "Clovis Way" might matter even more than their clientele, I'll agree. I'd call it a Perfect Storm. They've got the best kids and the best system in a football crazy area. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. The closest thing VUSD has is El Diamante, bingo! The closest thing that FUSD has is Bullard, bingo! The closest thing that the EYL has is Tulare Union, bingo. The closest thing that Bakersfield has is the power league, bingo!
Quote from: John Madden on May 25, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
That's a Fresno location...not included in Clovis.
LMAO ....Exactly
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
No where in the valley is a bastion of wealth but Clovis is pretty close in comparison.
Killa? What's your agenda? Not grasping at straws here my man, I'm talking about 15 years of looking at educational statistics and seeing a major factor that jumps out almost everytime you evaluate. Mommy education matters man, bigtime. BUT, yes, it's just a small look at a bigger picture. But it matters none-the-less.
Dude you can make an arguement that many things matter. How about the father's education? Grandma and Grandpa's education? My momma was uneducated and my daddy was a mechanic, I think I've done pretty well.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
Really, so in your argument, why are they not as DOMINATE as CW or the other Clovis schools? Come on bro, they got the money, eduacated moms, white kids? I mean, they should be right there with Clovis schools right??? Wrong. Your theories are way off.
Somebody has to win......and Bullard has been competitive in D1......Edison has had success in D1.....the rest? FUSD schools are D4-5 with 3000 + students???
Quote from: ghost of tom flores on May 25, 2011, 11:40:50 AM
LMAO ....Exactly
I think big was suggesting that a drive by CW would prove that the student body is diverse. Are you saying the CW campus is more or less diverse than those campuses situated in the City of Clovis?
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
I'm talking about 15 years of looking at educational statistics and seeing a major factor that jumps out almost everytime you evaluate. Mommy education matters man, bigtime. BUT, yes, it's just a small look at a bigger picture. But it matters none-the-less.
Which 'educational statistics' are you referring to?
Quote from: John Madden on May 25, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
That's a Fresno location...not included in Clovis. You'll get em next time kido!
No No, their Clovis, that's who this argument is all about!! CW!
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 11:43:58 AM
I think big was suggesting that a drive by CW would prove that the student body is diverse. Are you saying the CW campus is more or less diverse than those campuses situated in the City of Clovis?
By far CHS is the most diverse of the Clovis high schools, hands down. It's ruled my the hispanic and hmong.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
Exactly! One of the FEW FUSD schools who actually COMPETE in D1.......huh, interesting.
Unfortunately, many of those kids in the "million-dollar" homes go to CW, Edison or SJM, and many kids from lower-class areas of town get bussed to Bullard. That makes it tougher to compete in many sports than you'd imagine.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 11:43:53 AM
Dude, here's my agenda....It gets real old when outside people claim to know what life is like in Clovis. Is it a relative newer district when it comes to High Schools yea. But look at the kids now. Its not like 15 years ago, but there are MANY ignorant people who think its still predominately white. In Clovis we take responsibility for our actions and are held accountable no matter when. There are no excuses. Yea, 15 years ago the clientel was differnet, but in this ever changing world the administration holds the teacher accountable for all children, not just the rich white, 2 parent, educated mom, spoiled kids. They are held accountable for ALL the kids, and they go the extra mile to make sure they receive a quality education. And I am not saying that some or many teaches in Fresno, or Bako dont, its the people that make the excuses why Clovis preforms so high and their districts dont. That bothers me!!!
What bothers everyone else is when Clovisites come on here and pound their chests about how good they are and then deny they have any advantages whatsoever when CLEARLY you DO!
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:43:33 AM
Somebody has to win......and Bullard has been competitive in D1......Edison has had success in D1.....the rest? FUSD schools are D4-5 with 3000 + students???
Why do you think the other FUSD high schools with large student populations compete at the D4 D5 level?
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
What bothers everyone else is when Clovisites come on here and pound their chests about how good they are and then deny they have any advantages whatsoever when CLEARLY you DO!
But when those so-called advantages are overstated, they sound like excuses.
Quote from: Wingman on May 25, 2011, 11:46:41 AM
By far CHS is the most diverse of the Clovis high schools, hands down. It's ruled my the hispanic and hmong.
CE not far behind bro.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
What bothers everyone else is when Clovisites come on here and pound their chests about how good they are and then deny they have any advantages whatsoever when CLEARLY you DO!
I guess that means I can walk out and get my mail without worrying about getting shot?
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
What bothers everyone else is when Clovisites come on here and pound their chests about how good they are and then deny they have any advantages whatsoever when CLEARLY you DO!
No one's denying there are SOME advantages, but the gap seems to be widening here. Thats what the thread is about.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:50:55 AM
You mean ETKilla doesn't know what he's talking about?!?! WHAT?!?! ;)
Makes me happy you and KNIGHT are on the same level. When did he become your barometer of argument? Wow, I expect WAY more from you.\
BTW Bullard seems to land guys every year that makes their teams somewhat competitve. Maybe the other Fresno schools should strap up their boots.
I agree with you Killa, 100%, it's a great system! But like all great systems, it gets even better when you have the best ingredients. Bad schools just get worse because no one wants to be there. People that have the ability flee bad school districts, it's a fact. Think about some of the schools in our valley, any parent with the ability to escape wouldn't enroll their kids in those schools if the world was coming to an end.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 11:51:22 AM
CE not far behind bro.
So, with CHS and CE becoming hispanic and hmong dominated campuses, we will have a basis for comparison. Most of the FUSD campuses with that student makeup have as much as disappeared from the radar in athletics and academics.
Let's see how CUSD fares.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
Why do you think the other FUSD high schools with large student populations compete at the D4 D5 level?
Because they don't have the same demographics that the Clovis schools have......We could probably fix the whole divisional arguement by simply finding a formula for # of males academically eligible enrolled at the school. That would end the problem right there!
80% of males at your school are academically eligible = D1
70% = D2
60% = D3
50% = D4
Everybody else = D5
That would be interesting data to see!
Let's say this instead:
Let's see how CUSD fairs with an ever-increasing lower income population, it's has nothing to do with the fact that a kid is hispanic or asian but 100% to do with the fact that the kid is poor.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Makes me happy you and KNIGHT are on the same level. When did he become your barometer of argument? Wow, I expect WAY more from you.\
BTW Bullard seems to land guys every year that makes their teams somewhat competitve. Maybe the other Fresno schools should strap up their boots.
He is not the barometer on all things......but I can assume he is a Bullard supporter just as you are a Clovis supporter. He probably knows more about Bullard than you do......
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 12:02:35 PM
Bingo, it's probably already set-up that way...
I'd be willing to BET it isn't, at least not across the board. Schools get punished for winning and rewarded for losing, not because their eligibility #'s change.
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
Let's say this instead:
Let's see how CUSD fairs with an ever-increasing lower income population, it's has nothing to do with the fact that a kid is hispanic or asian but 100% to do with the fact that the kid is poor.
That sounds good, but I don't think it's reality. There are plenty of poor people out there who are educated, speak English as their native language, and value their children's education - including extra-curricular activities.
Yeah but the cost of living is cheaper, houses are newer and cheaper and much safer to live. Who wants to live in the gang ridden, crime filth of Fresno.....no thanks.
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
Let's say this instead:
Let's see how CUSD fairs with an ever-increasing lower income population, it's has nothing to do with the fact that a kid is hispanic or asian but 100% to do with the fact that the kid is poor.
Come on man, you're not helping your arguments here. Many of these kids are VERY poor. CE and Clovis are on the verge if not already Title 1. Kastner has 2 Title 1 schools feeding into it. Come on man.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 12:09:22 PM
That sounds good, but I don't think it's reality. There are plenty of poor people out there who are educated, speak English as their native language, and value their children's education - including extra-curricular activities.
Nope, they are by far the exception of that demographic.
I'm not making an arguement Killa, I'm simply providing observations.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
So, with CHS and CE becoming hispanic and hmong dominated campuses, we will have a basis for comparison. Most of the FUSD campuses with that student makeup have as much as disappeared from the radar in athletics and academics.
Let's see how CUSD fares.
Asians score higher on API's than Whites. Philipinos 2 points under Whites. Economically, where do the Asians fall? Does Asian include Hmong? If Asians fall on the poorer side, but their kids are scoring 902 vs 864 for Whites, then it kind of blows the economic advantage, mom's education advantage, etc out the window. I think this would imply that WORK ETHIC has more to do with it than silver spoons.
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/17555#from..HeaderLink CN API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/741#from..HeaderLink CW API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/736#from..HeaderLink Buchanan API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/740#from..HeaderLink Clovis High API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/10896#from..HeaderLink CE API's
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 25, 2011, 12:53:31 PM
Nope, they are by far the exception of that demographic.
I'm not making an arguement Killa, I'm simply providing observations.
I don't want to get too far down this tangent, but are you saying that 'poor' is the functional equivalent of "Hispanic and Hmong"? Or that the vast majority of 'poor' people do not speak English, are uneducated, and do not value their children's education?
For clarification, I was referring to the Hmong population since that was the original reference. 'Asian' is a much broader class and includes the highest performers.
I have put all the pieces together!!!!
It all makes sense now!!!
....The Anthill is Doc Buchanan :D
As it stands, CE is the most diverse campus in CUSD. It's API scores for Hispanic students is 780. For Asian students it is 807.
Compare to the nearest FUSD campus - McLane High. McLane is 617 for Hispanic students and 660 for Asians.
For whatever it's worth....
Quote from: valleynative on May 25, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Asians score higher on API's than Whites. Philipinos 2 points under Whites. Economically, where do the Asians fall? Does Asian include Hmong? If Asians fall on the poorer side, but their kids are scoring 902 vs 864 for Whites, then it kind of blows the economic advantage, mom's education advantage, etc out the window. I think this would imply that WORK ETHIC has more to do with it than silver spoons.
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/17555#from..HeaderLink CN API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/741#from..HeaderLink CW API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/736#from..HeaderLink Buchanan API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/740#from..HeaderLink Clovis High API's
http://www.greatschools.org/modperl/achievement/ca/10896#from..HeaderLink CE API's
Completely agree. Now the numbers you may want to look at to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges is the social/economical disadvantaged kids.
CW 792
CN 808
Buch 785
Clovis 720
CE 765
Fresno High 632
Bullard 699
Edison 705
Look, Im sorry. These are the same type of child and the ones in Clovis are perfroming much higher. Just sayin, but wait, our buildings are newer.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 25, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Makes me happy you and KNIGHT are on the same level. When did he become your barometer of argument? Wow, I expect WAY more from you.\
Gee, thanks.
I feel I'm better with arguments than many on here, especially with regards to facts and fallacies. Show me where my argument has been poor.
ETKilla,
C'mon man. The best educators want to work in the best districts, with the best students.
This is the truth about the valley, CUSD has the cream of the crop, FUSD has the worst. Are there exceptions, yes, I've worked with some incredible teachers in FUSD, and there are also some somewhat poor teachers in CUSD. But the turnover rate in FUSD is incredible. No one hires more new teachers each school year than FUSD. It's tough enough to be a teacher, it's even tougher to try to motivate students that don't care.
Here's the best analogy for CUSD. They are the United States of America, if you are from a third world country and you hate it there, you bail and try your hand in the U.S. You're a like-minded person looking to better themselves. (A Fresno parent that decides to rent a townhouse in a Clovis district to better their children. FUSD kids are the one's who are left behind in their homeland. So being proud to be from Clovis is like being proud to be an American. Sometimes we get so patriotic, we fail to remember the circumstances that made us great to begin with... It's easy for us to stand back and point the finger at third world countries and say, "they just need to try harder"... or in other words, "they didn't set up their district in the right way back in the beginning..."
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Quote from: diesel on May 24, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
Just like there are "some" administrators who simply don't give a damn and are incompetent. We all have anectdotal evidence that supports our beliefs about teachers and unions. Much of what I've read on here is misinformation and displaced anger about unions in general, which are very different than teacher unions.
My source goes back to the very beginnings of the union movement and was asked to be the the first president in a county .... when teachers voted to expel and exclude administrators from the union, a vote he begged them not to do, it forever put a wall between teachers and administrators. He was beginning his career as an administrator. He quit the union in disgust and where ever he went he always made sure he was on the the negotiation committee against the teachers union. I know stories from the state office to local districts to county offices. It ain't heresay!
I think a major factor that many are over looking is that athletics is a priority in Clovis. They (Admin) go out of their way to give their coaches all the things necessary to win. From what I gather, Bfield puts up road blocks for their district. Clovis is in pads all summer. Bfield can't even use their own equipment in the summer. I think that is the point. Do you really think the coaches in Clovis are that superior? Players? Do the Clovis coaches run a different spread than anybody else? CW runs a different shotgun wing? They make it important and it shows in the results.
Quote from: linebacker on May 25, 2011, 02:34:16 PM
I think a major factor that many are over looking is that athletics is a priority in Clovis. They (Admin) go out of their way to give their coaches all the things necessary to win. From what I gather, Bfield puts up road blocks for their district. Clovis is in pads all summer. Bfield can't even use their own equipment in the summer. I think that is the point. Do you really think the coaches in Clovis are that superior? Players? Do the Clovis coaches run a different spread than anybody else? CW runs a different shotgun wing? They make it important and it shows in the results.
So you're implying that CUSD has an advantage over other schools in the valley?!?! WHAT?!?! ;)
Quote from: bksflddan on May 25, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
My source goes back to the very beginnings of the union movement and was asked to be the the first president in a county .... when teachers voted to expel and exclude administrators from the union, a vote he begged them not to do, it forever put a wall between teachers and administrators. He was beginning his career as an administrator. He quit the union in disgust and where ever he went he always made sure he was on the the negotiation committee against the teachers union. I know stories from the state office to local districts to county offices. It ain't heresay!
Administrators are in direct supervision roles over teachers. Having one union to represent BOTH would be a conflict of interest. That would be like letting your boss join the trade union......why would any worker want that?
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 02:46:00 PM
So you're implying that CUSD has an advantage over other schools in the valley?!?! WHAT?!?! ;)
If someone spots you 2 touchdowns before the game starts, or the opposition's entire offensive line is out with the flu, that's an advantage. But if you are the better team because you have worked harder and put in the time, then you're just the better team.
I guess that is my main gripe. I've lived the CUSD system. I saw the sacrifice my son made during his 4 years. Nothing comes easy. Every success they have, on and off the field, was the result of a lot of hard work and dedication.
The CUSD kids operate under very high expectations, and for the most part, they answer the bell. Writing off their success to some notion of wealth, privilege, or advantage, not only minimizes their efforts, it comes across as an excuse.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 03:05:06 PM
I guess that is my main gripe. I've lived the CUSD system. I saw the sacrifice my son made during his 4 years. Nothing comes easy. Every success they have, on and off the field, was the result of a lot of hard work and dedication.
Speaking of hard work. It would be interesting to know how many kids work jobs when they can fit them in. My own son has worked every single Christmas vacation, Easter vacation and the 2 weeks in the summer that there is no football practice since he started high school. Again, I think work ethic and expectations are a big part of the puzzle.
Where's the Clovis guys?
MADERA -- The thing about Houdini was that even he took breaks sometimes.
Stockdale senior Bryce Keene, in a three-way playoff Tuesday at Madera Country Club to decide the Central Section golf championship, showed himself more than capable of getting out of trouble.
Problem was, he couldn't quit putting himself in hot water. Eventually, on the fourth playoff hole, that caught up with Keene, and he bogeyed the No. 9 hole to drop out of the marathon tiebreaker. On the sixth playoff hole -- again No. 9 -- Fresno-Bullard's Michael Tolladay finally decided things against Lemoore's Cody Neal with a birdie.
And I saw the sacrifice both of my sons made during their 4 years at BHS. You are right....nothing comes easy. Championships are a result of hard work and dedication (they both have rings) but when you have to rent or borrow pads to go to a summer camp you are not on a level playing field with teams who can use their pads any time they want. The rules aren't the same so quit comparing. We all get it. Clovis Unified is superior. :sleep: We'll just keep practicing in our inferior facilities and with different rules. When we do beat you it will be all the more sweat!
Quote from: my3sons on May 25, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
And I saw the sacrifice both of my sons made during their 4 years at BHS. You are right....nothing comes easy. Championships are a result of hard work and dedication (they both have rings) but when you have to rent or borrow pads to go to a summer camp you are not on a level playing field with teams who can use their pads any time they want. The rules aren't the same so quit comparing. We all get it. Clovis Unified is superior. :sleep: We'll just keep practicing in our inferior facilities and with different rules. When we do beat you it will be all the more sweat!
I believe you've got a ring too as well as your dad ... two of my brothers were on VC teams at BHS before the ring days ... come to think of it so was your dad ...
Quote from: my3sons on May 25, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
And I saw the sacrifice both of my sons made during their 4 years at BHS. You are right....nothing comes easy. Championships are a result of hard work and dedication (they both have rings) but when you have to rent or borrow pads to go to a summer camp you are not on a level playing field with teams who can use their pads any time they want. The rules aren't the same so quit comparing. We all get it. Clovis Unified is superior. :sleep: We'll just keep practicing in our inferior facilities and with different rules. When we do beat you it will be all the more sweat!
That reminds me of when I played...sep I had to walk to school up hill coming home!!
Quote from: my3sons on May 25, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
The rules aren't the same so quit comparing.
I'm not drawing comparisons - only pointing out that there is a lot more to CUSD's success than the rest of the valley wants to give them credit for. Personally, I give you BHS guys a rash, but I have tremendous respect for BHS. You have every reason in the world to be proud.
As for the different rules, is CUSD violating a CIF practice restriction, or are you referring to local rules imposed by the Kern district?
I think you are missing the point. I said nothing about moms education. The fact of the matter is the rules are not the same. And really, are you going to tell me that facilities and equipment don't play into it. It's all about the benjamins! Do you like to come and play at Griffith Field? Not according to some previous posts. Boosters do what we can but our hands are tied.
On another note, please remember our soldiers in your prayers this week. We owe our ability to play sports and post on this site to them. God bless all of our military! Peace!
Quote from: my3sons on May 25, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
I think you are missing the point. I said nothing about moms education. The fact of the matter is the rules are not the same. And really, are you going to tell me that facilities and equipment don't play into it. It's all about the benjamins! Do you like to come and play at Griffith Field? Not according to some previous posts. Boosters do what we can but our hands are tied.
On another note, please remember our soldiers in your prayers this week. We owe our ability to play sports and post on this site to them. God bless all of our military! Peace!
Very nice !! and remember some of our very best soldiers and Marines may have played for a 0-10 football team and got through HS with a 2.0 GP average.
There might be some credence to that mom thing. I stopped at the drug store on the way home, and saw 3 moms I know buying materials for their kid's science projects due on Friday. Each one said they knew better, but they were going to wind up doing their kid's project for them to make sure they get good grades.
My mom only finished the 8th grade. I had to do all my projects myself.
Each one said they knew better, but they were going to wind up doing their kid's project for them to make sure they get good grades.
Clovis, It's A Way Of Life! :u:
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 01:20:03 PM
As it stands, CE is the most diverse campus in CUSD. It's API scores for Hispanic students is 780. For Asian students it is 807.
Compare to the nearest FUSD campus - McLane High. McLane is 617 for Hispanic students and 660 for Asians.
For whatever it's worth....
McLane is also the most transient campus in FUSD....fully 1 third or more of the campus will be gone and replaced by other non-english proficent students in the course of a year...used to be a higher percentage.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 03:05:06 PM
If someone spots you 2 touchdowns before the game starts, or the opposition's entire offensive line is out with the flu, that's an advantage. But if you are the better team because you have worked harder and put in the time, then you're just the better team.
I guess that is my main gripe. I've lived the CUSD system. I saw the sacrifice my son made during his 4 years. Nothing comes easy. Every success they have, on and off the field, was the result of a lot of hard work and dedication.
The CUSD kids operate under very high expectations, and for the most part, they answer the bell. Writing off their success to some notion of wealth, privilege, or advantage, not only minimizes their efforts, it comes across as an excuse.
The fact that your student athletes are given the extra time and effort by coaches who are well paid and provided all the extras to get the job done right isn't an advantage? Having players who can commit to that extra time because their parents don't need them to work to help support the family isn't an advantage? The fact that your student athletes are willing to commit to the time is commendable but don't pretend you don't have advantages over almost every other school district in the valley.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 09:16:37 PM
The fact that your student athletes are given the extra time and effort by coaches who are well paid and provided all the extras to get the job done right isn't an advantage? Having players who can commit to that extra time because their parents don't need them to work to help support the family isn't an advantage? The fact that your student athletes are willing to commit to the time is commendable but don't pretend you don't have advantages over almost every other school district in the valley.
This thread is comical in a way --just think how scary it would be if CUSD was NOT the most successful district in the local valley area with their advantages.
I did not go through 11 pages of posts, so if I missed someone pointing out the obvious I apologize and give me another thumbs down......... but.... academic achievement (API etc...) is not defined by racial heritage (so called "diversity" on many of these posts). Research clearly points out that academic success in school is most closely tied to Socio-economic status and educational background of the parents/guardians , not the color of the skin and dialect....
Quote from: hsfan on May 25, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
This thread is comical in a way --just think how scary it would be if CUSD was NOT the most successful district in the local valley area with their advantages.
No doubt! They be the laughingstock of the valley!
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 09:16:37 PM
The fact that your student athletes are given the extra time and effort by coaches who are well paid and provided all the extras to get the job done right isn't an advantage? Having players who can commit to that extra time because their parents don't need them to work to help support the family isn't an advantage? The fact that your student athletes are willing to commit to the time is commendable but don't pretend you don't have advantages over almost every other school district in the valley.
Advantages yes, unfair advantages no. Every other school or district in the valley has the same opportunity to create those same advantages for themselves. I hope your not implying that the advantages that CUSD has were not earned. Every advantage you listed along with others you didn't are earned through hard work. Hard work by the student athlete on the field and in the classroom. Hard work by the parents to fund these activities, etc. Hard work from the; teachers, administrators and coaches. These same advantages are available to all those willing to work for them.
Quote from: shmeky on May 25, 2011, 09:44:17 PM
Advantages yes, unfair advantages no. Every other school or district in the valley has the same opportunity to create those same advantages for themselves. I hope your not implying that the advantages that CUSD has were not earned. Every advantage you listed along with others you didn't are earned through hard work. Hard work by the student athlete on the field and in the classroom. Hard work by the parents to fund these activities, etc. Hard work from the; teachers, administrators and coaches. These same advantages are available to all those willing to work for them.
So if the community that feeds McLane High or Roosevelt would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps like all those Clovis families did, they could be just like CW, huh?
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
So if the community that feeds McLane High or Roosevelt would just pull themselves up by the bootstraps like all those Clovis families did, they could be just like CW, huh?
Yea pretty much. Whats wrong with sacrifice and hard work if the goal is noble? You seem to think everyone up here was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. I live here and I will tell you most in this area have sacrificed and busted their butts to give their children an opportunity at success in life. Why should it be any different elsewhere? It really doesn't take all that much money. It takes like minded people regardless of race, socioeconomic status, etc., who are willing to do what is necessary to achieve a common goal.
Quote from: shmeky on May 25, 2011, 10:07:29 PM
Yea pretty much. Whats wrong with sacrifice and hard work if the goal is noble? You seem to think everyone up here was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. I live here and I will tell you most in this area have sacrificed and busted their butts to give their children an opportunity at success in life. Why should it be any different elsewhere? It really doesn't take all that much money. It takes like minded people regardless of race, socioeconomic status, etc., who are willing to do what is necessary to achieve a common goal.
You have no idea what it's like to live in the communities you're talking about......why don't you take a field trip down to Pixley, Tipton, and Earlimart, teach those communities how you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps and then come back and give us the play by play.....no clue.......
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 10:21:58 PM
You have no idea what it's like to live in the communities you're talking about......why don't you take a field trip down to Pixley, Tipton, and Earlimart, teach those communities how you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps and then come back and give us the play by play.....no clue.......
Born and raised in Selma, owned a business there till 2010. Father born and raised in Pixley. Every relative I have on my fathers side were dust bowl Oakies and Arkies. Don't lecture me about poverty in the valley, I know, I have lived amongst it. Based on
your logic those communities should just throw in the towel, not just on high school athletics but on life....
You are the one with no clue, you sell people out just because they are poor. Anyone willing to put out the effort to improve themselves still has opportunities in this country. Will it happen over night, no. Is that a reason not to strive for self/community improvement, no. More times than not the difference between the halves and have nots is effort.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 10:34:33 PM
But you presume to know what it's like to live in the Clovis community, right?
Oh, but he is so wrong I do know what it's like to live in those communities. But you are right he has no freaking clue what its like to live in Clovis. Personal responsibility, perseverance, sacrifice, are foreign concepts to some.
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
There might be some credence to that mom thing. I stopped at the drug store on the way home, and saw 3 moms I know buying materials for their kid's science projects due on Friday. Each one said they knew better, but they were going to wind up doing their kid's project for them to make sure they get good grades.
If the science projects are due Friday then the experiment has already been conducted--they're just putting the board together. That's called time management. Instead of the mindless task of cut and pasting onto a bio. board it allows your child to work on other homework. :)
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:22:57 PM
And now you live in beautiful Clovis......leaving behind the communities you claim to know so well.....why abandon your home? Those communities could use guys like you to help rebuild and support those communities......hmmmmmm......???? Don't question my commitment to those communities. I STILL live in those communities working my butt off to provide support and positive role models for young people in the worst of situations! Instead of sitting in your ivory tower, come on down and walk the walk! Don't tell us how you KNOW....come back and make a difference! By the way, living amongst it and living IN it are two different things!
Diesel, my friend you really have no clue what I have done and continue to do in my life to support and attempt to better the communities that I live in, both directly and indirectly. Why don't you quit being so presumptious about who I am or what I have done in my life based on where I choose to live. Your letting your stereotype of what you think the typical Clovis person is get the better of you.
Quote from: diesel on May 25, 2011, 11:22:57 PM
And now you live in beautiful Clovis......leaving behind the communities you claim to know so well.....why abandon your home? Those communities could use guys like you to help rebuild and support those communities......hmmmmmm......???? Don't question my commitment to those communities. I STILL live in those communities working my butt off to provide support and positive role models for young people in the worst of situations! Instead of sitting in your ivory tower, come on down and walk the walk! Don't tell us how you KNOW....come back and make a difference! By the way, living amongst it and living IN it are two different things!
Oh my Lawdy...by these standards, I would still be living in Stratford! :shock: :shock: :shock:
All these posts makes one think they would flock and run up to Clovis and Fresno to live right away. Let me challenge the reader here, walk through my neighborhood in Bakersfield (Riverlakes) and walk through the neighborhoods in Clovis or Fresno at midnight and you tell me where you feel safer. Like I said earlier, who wants to live in the gang infested area's of Clovis and Fresno. I admit, the neighborhoods around Veterans stadium are a bit run down compared to the upscale, upper class neighborhoods around Centennial, Liberity and Stockdale. Class of living much higher down here in Bako, and much safer too.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 26, 2011, 05:48:09 AM
All these posts makes one think they would flock and run up to Clovis and Fresno to live right away. Let me challenge the reader here, walk through my neighborhood in Bakersfield (Riverlakes) and walk through the neighborhoods in Clovis or Fresno at midnight and you tell me where you feel safer. Like I said earlier, who wants to live in the gang infested area's of Clovis and Fresno. I admit, the neighborhoods around Veterans stadium are a bit run down compared to the upscale, upper class neighborhoods around Centennial, Liberity and Stockdale. Class of living much higher down here in Bako, and much safer too.
Bako, you are making CUSD's case that it's not all about wealth. If it was, you'd be wearing a VC ring right now and Kern would be the subject of this thread.
Thank you for coming along side and supporting CUSD in this debate.
Sent this to shmeky via pm.
Areas like Poplar and Pixley and Earlimart will never be Clovis because everyone (including me) who has the means and opportunity to move away, does. Most never come back.......which leaves the remaining to struggle. I believe that mirrors what is happening in Fresno/Clovis. Those with the means to get out of the low-rent areas that serve the FUSD move to the more attractive areas that serve Clovis, leaving behind those that are struggling to make ends meet. CUSD has a good balance of diversity and those that have can provide for those that have-not. Many of the schools in FUSD don't have enough haves' and the have-nots don't have time to run a bake sale or a car wash.
Quote from: bigfan on May 26, 2011, 07:46:22 AM
Izne...sounds like the same suff the democrats bring up during every election.
Maybe the CIF should impose a Luxury Tax on all Valley Championships. It will not only provide assistance for the less competitive districts, it will eliminate the incentive to win. That way, we all meet in the middle and everyone is happy.
Coach, put that on the list of questions for Crichlow's radio interview.
Quote from: diesel on May 26, 2011, 07:41:35 AM
Many of the schools in FUSD don't have enough haves' and the have-nots don't have time to run a bake sale or a car wash.
I'm not sure that time is the core issue. There are a lot of parents in FUSD with an abundance of time on their hands.
Quote from: izne1home on May 26, 2011, 08:02:50 AM
Maybe the CIF should impose a Luxury Tax on all Valley Championships. It will not only provide assistance for the less competitive districts, it will eliminate the incentive to win. That way, we all meet in the middle and everyone is happy.
Like I said before, Clovis does a great job of preparing their youngsters for life beyond high school. They have a lot of advantages that many schools don't have. Even some of the Clovis supporters have posted on here and listed those advantages. It just gets old having to listen to you guys come on here and talk smack about all the VC rings you have and then getting bent out of shape when someone says you have an advantage! You've already admitted you have advantages.....just get over yourselves and be proud of what you've accomplished without putting down the rest of us, you know?
The problem is they work hard to have the advantages and make sure they keep them. Other areas, and Im not talking about Huron, make more excuses. I guareentee you if the State was giving money to lets say CE and they had to meet a certain requirement to keep the funds, they would do everything in their power to do it. Look at teachers like Ron Clark. Taught in the worst part of NY. The absolute worst school in New York. Every single kid from his class went on to college. It can be done with HARD work and less excuses.
Quote from: diesel on May 26, 2011, 08:07:02 AM
Like I said before, Clovis does a great job of preparing their youngsters for life beyond high school. They have a lot of advantages that many schools don't have. Even some of the Clovis supporters have posted on here and listed those advantages. It just gets old having to listen to you guys come on here and talk smack about all the VC rings you have and then getting bent out of shape when someone says you have an advantage! You've already admitted you have advantages.....just get over yourselves and be proud of what you've accomplished without putting down the rest of us, you know?
Poppy Cock! Putting people down...you know we have not put anyone down...extolling virtues?...maybe...but putting people down is not nor will it ever be in our nexium!
In summary, the people of Clovis have worked hard to create their own advantages and the rest of us are just pissed off that we can't beat them. Including me with my 1-2-1 High School record vs. Anthill's CW squad... :)-
Quote from: BigHoss on May 26, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
You forgot to add in and account for the MILF factor. There are many beatiful/plastic people in Clovis.
That's more of a booster club pool party fund raising thing... but it is significant.
Quote from: Darth Backer on May 26, 2011, 08:22:39 AM
In summary, the people of Clovis have worked hard to create their own advantages and the rest of us are just pissed off that we can't beat them. Including me with my 1-2-1 High School record vs. Anthill's CW squad... :)-
that sums it up.
Quote from: BigHoss on May 26, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
You forgot to add in and account for the MILF factor. There are many beatiful/plastic people in Clovis.
Huge factor. One of the best reasons for coming to Clovis. Solid.
Quote from: bigfan on May 26, 2011, 07:46:22 AM
Izne...sounds like the same suff the democrats bring up during every election.
HAHAHAHA....So true!
Quote from: BigHoss on May 26, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
You forgot to add in and account for the MILF factor. There are many beatiful/plastic people in Clovis.
:u: All the CUSD Athletic Programs are extremly competitive & very proud when it comes to that factor . I would STACK our programs up against any in the valley & wonder which CUSD program would come out on top in a intra-district compatition 8)
Quote from: izne1home on May 25, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
There might be some credence to that mom thing. I stopped at the drug store on the way home, and saw 3 moms I know buying materials for their kid's science projects due on Friday. Each one said they knew better, but they were going to wind up doing their kid's project for them to make sure they get good grades.
My mom only finished the 8th grade. I had to do all my projects myself.
sounds like you saw my wife....
Quote from: Bronco on May 26, 2011, 12:35:01 PM
:u: All the CUSD Athletic Programs are extremly competitive & very proud when it comes to that factor . I would STACK our programs up against any in the valley & wonder which CUSD program would come out on top in a intra-district compatition 8)
They would have to have a bathing suit competition. It would have to be held in a pool and the winner would be the district with the most mom's floating unassisted without getting their hair wet.
So let me get this straight...basically in summary the reasons for Clovis Unified dominating the valley and being a staple in California high school sports is namely because of
socioeconomics- mom's education level, mom's pool parties, dad's athletic abilities, dad's high paid job, sister's cheerleader abilities, grandpa's wallet, grandma's hospitality-
cooking, cleaning, the school admin's wealth of knowledge of who to hire, the bus driver's for keeping the kids safe, the janitor's cleanliness... I forgot to mention
because of socioeconomics...all the students are perfect little angels birthed to win, coming out of the egg "no not Lady Gaga's kids" mouths washed of soap every night,
tucked into bed reciting the Golden Eagle Pledge.
That was for your reading pleasure. I love Clovis so much.. All this dominating Goliath talk makes it fun for when a David does beat him. Oh but God is on Clovis's side..
So how does this work? David & Goliath?
Quote from: Bronco on May 26, 2011, 12:35:01 PM
:u: All the CUSD Athletic Programs are extremly competitive & very proud when it comes to that factor . I would STACK our programs up against any in the valley & wonder which CUSD program would come out on top in a intra-district compatition 8)
That depends. If you're into cow girls in chaps, then Clovis or CE. If you like all American Sunday school teacher types, probably Buchanan. If you prefer the classic MILF, CW has a lot of them. If you like them a little younger and sassy, then CN is your best bet.
Not that I would know..., I'm just speculating.
Quote from: izne1home on May 26, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
That depends. If you're into cow girls in chaps, then Clovis or CE. If you like all American Sunday school teacher types, probably Buchanan. If you prefer the classic MILF, CW has a lot of them. If you like them a little younger and sassy, then CN is your best bet.
Not that I would know..., I'm just speculating.
So funny how that really sounds accurate. Buchanan Sunday school in appearance, but its a cover up for sure!!!!!
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 26, 2011, 05:48:09 AM
All these posts makes one think they would flock and run up to Clovis and Fresno to live right away. Let me challenge the reader here, walk through my neighborhood in Bakersfield (Riverlakes) and walk through the neighborhoods in Clovis or Fresno at midnight and you tell me where you feel safer. Like I said earlier, who wants to live in the gang infested area's of Clovis and Fresno. I admit, the neighborhoods around Veterans stadium are a bit run down compared to the upscale, upper class neighborhoods around Centennial, Liberity and Stockdale. Class of living much higher down here in Bako, and much safer too.
.... "upper" class neighborhood around Stockdale High School??????????????????????????????????????????? What planet do you live on????????????????????????????????????
bksflddan: ".... "upper" class neighborhood around Stockdale High School??????????????????????????????????????????? What planet do you live on????????????????????????????????????"
He's Bako Phats, he claims he speaks for the "real" Bakersfield not the crybabies.
You two haven't met.
Quote from: diesel on May 26, 2011, 08:23:17 AM
Really? Well, this is one of the first posts from page one....some of these jabs sound like other schools and districts are being put down.....but maybe I'm reading it wrong (sometimes the blind squirrel just goes hungry).
1970 wasn't their first apperarence anthill is wrong again!!!!!
That surprises no one. :D
bksflddan: If Clovis Unified appeared in a Valley Championship prior to 1970 (they defeated BUllard fore the 1970 title) the Anthilllegend does not recall the contest............they did not play for the title in the sixties........the early sixties were the Alan Krauss, Carl Gould, Tom and Tim Born teams that were very good (they were one of the few teams still running the single-wing) but the Anthill does not recall even a NYL title from them. The late sixties were the Phil Borjas (QB)/CB) and the older Prieto brother (QB) led teams............they never played for the title either. So if they ever appearred in a VC game (D1 or large school division) before 1970....it had to be in the fifties or earlier and in the small or Sequoia/Sierra divisions. Enlighten the Anthill bksflddan......you know how the Legend loves this kind of information!!!! He would like to know the year for his informational data base!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..........................because the Emerald City has a much lower crime rate than Bakersfield (according to every site the Anthill checked)....as opposed to the errant statement made by Bakophats about the safety of Bako vs. Clovis!!!
The Anthilllegend
1923 Fresno County League Coach Miles Newman won the first title for Clovis High
Clovis High School 1935 and 1936 Fresno County Sierra League Division 1 co-champions with Kerman in 35 and Coalinga and Fowler in 36. Coach's W. Johnston and J. Johnson
1970, his majesty Dennis Lindsay coached the Cougars to Division 1 NYL Title
So, 1970 is the 3rd title.
No wonder.............the Anthill only deals with Division 1 football......the Cougars 1st D1 title came in 1970 (as C9 stated). The Legend thanks you for the information prior to the modern era. Many CUSD posters have refused to recognize some of the Driller VC's that were won prior to the 1960's................it's only fair that the Clovis Unified supporters not lay claim to Small School titles that happened 80 years ago.
Why do all treads turn to Clovis West..................because when Clovis won those titles in the 1930's...............Clovis was actually 8 miles from Fresno (not grown together)..............and CW was some kind of orchard!!!!!
The Anthilllegend
"Clovis High School 1935 and 1936 Fresno County Sierra League Division 1 co-champions with Kerman in 35 and Coalinga and Fowler in 36. Coach's W. Johnston and J. Johnson"
3rd D 1.
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 26, 2011, 09:11:51 PM
............and CW was some kind of orchard!!!!!
Probably fruit trees........... ;)
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 26, 2011, 07:21:34 PM
That surprises no one. :D
Maybe Kevin Federline was a source of information?
You guys make it sound like Clovis is the Shangri la to live but that is not the case. Let me challenge the reader once again. Walk through Clovis and midnight then walk through Bakersfield at midnight....enough said. Bakersfield is safer because the people care more about the community down here. They don't live and die for the next Vally Championship or how many more titles they have than Bakersfield. They care more about a safer community. You had mentioned wealth, well, one of the main reasons more of the wealthy live down here is because the local police do more to keep gangs out. When I was at the Clovis West/Bakersfiel Valley Championship game there was more police there than the county jail. You could not even go to the other opposing stands either.Once the game started you had to basically stay where you were at with the exception of getting food or going to the bathroom. If you wanted to get various pictures from different place you were out of luck (thanks wonderful Clovis). At a game in the SWYL there are maybe 2 or 3 police officers there at the most and you can freely roam where you please. The reason is because when it gets dark Clovis is flat out a dangerous place, not the case down here. A true testament to a real community and a real police department. I can go to a football game down here anywhere and where my Centennial shirt and not worry about my family or myself getting harassed or threatened, absolutely not the case in Clovis or Fresno. Yeah, you got your football program on the right track now move on and get your community on the right track so I can go to a game up there and enjoy it safely.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 07:49:15 AM
You guys make it sound like Clovis is the Shangri la to live but that is not the case. Let me challenge the reader once again. Walk through Clovis and midnight then walk through Bakersfield at midnight....enough said. Bakersfield is safer because the people care more about the community down here. They don't live and die for the next Vally Championship or how many more titles they have than Bakersfield. They care more about a safer community. You had mentioned wealth, well, one of the main reasons more of the wealthy live down here is because the local police do more to keep gangs out. When I was at the Clovis West/Bakersfiel Valley Championship game there was more police there than the county jail. You could not even go to the other opposing stands either.Once the game started you had to basically stay where you were at with the exception of getting food or going to the bathroom. If you wanted to get various pictures from different place you were out of luck (thanks wonderful Clovis). At a game in the SWYL there are maybe 2 or 3 police officers there at the most and you can freely roam where you please. The reason is because when it gets dark Clovis is flat out a dangerous place, not the case down here. A true testament to a real community and a real police department. I can go to a football game down here anywhere and where my Centennial shirt and not worry about my family or myself getting harassed or threatened, absolutely not the case in Clovis or Fresno. Yeah, you got your football program on the right track now move on and get your community on the right track so I can go to a game up there and enjoy it safely.
It might of had something to do with that 'F Clovis' t shirt you were wearing.
Once again, thank you for adding credence to the CUSD argument that it's success is not due to wealth, privilege, and advantage.
C'mon Bakophats, it just depends on which neighborhood you talk about, Bakersfield is still living in the 1950's...
Massive Defacto Segregation
Some folks are just trouble makers and complain about everything that is good.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 07:49:15 AM
You guys make it sound like Clovis is the Shangri la to live but that is not the case. Let me challenge the reader once again. Walk through Clovis and midnight then walk through Bakersfield at midnight....enough said. Bakersfield is safer because the people care more about the community down here. They don't live and die for the next Vally Championship or how many more titles they have than Bakersfield. They care more about a safer community. You had mentioned wealth, well, one of the main reasons more of the wealthy live down here is because the local police do more to keep gangs out. When I was at the Clovis West/Bakersfiel Valley Championship game there was more police there than the county jail. You could not even go to the other opposing stands either.Once the game started you had to basically stay where you were at with the exception of getting food or going to the bathroom. If you wanted to get various pictures from different place you were out of luck (thanks wonderful Clovis). At a game in the SWYL there are maybe 2 or 3 police officers there at the most and you can freely roam where you please. The reason is because when it gets dark Clovis is flat out a dangerous place, not the case down here. A true testament to a real community and a real police department. I can go to a football game down here anywhere and where my Centennial shirt and not worry about my family or myself getting harassed or threatened, absolutely not the case in Clovis or Fresno. Yeah, you got your football program on the right track now move on and get your community on the right track so I can go to a game up there and enjoy it safely.
Too Funny... My Bother-in-law has lived in Bakersfield for over 25 years tells me there are areas of Bakersfield he would not feel safe walking in after 5:00pm, let alone midnight... Brother-in-law (6'4" - 300+) football playing big man and typically feels safe in most situations. Clearly Bako does not walk around the hallowed streets of the Emerald City... I have walked around my streets at Midnight with my Wife without the slightest concern for our safety!
In regards to needing maybe 2 or 3 police officers at a SWYL game... I don't remember EVER seeing a single police officer at a CW game in three years! I would venture a guess that perhaps one or two might have been on occasion, but clearly their presence was not a distraction to the game or hampered my ability to enjoy watching the action on the field... since I never noticed a single one of them. Kudos to the Fresno & Clovis Police Departments!
I think he is referring to CUSD Campus police who are doing their job as they do at every game...There was a couple CPD sargents there for morale and cheering the Eagles to Victory!!
Quote from: Soaring Eagle on May 27, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
... I don't remember EVER seeing a single police officer at a CW game in three years!
But that's because no one attends CW games.....what are they gonna do, protect the goal posts? ;)
Like I said I challenge the reader, where would you want to live Clovis or Bakarsfield. Look at the recent CW article that went national about. At least at Centennial we don't have the Staff and Principal prying into our kids business by looking at their Facebook and Email (Refer to may16, 2011 article) like at Clovis West. Don't have to do that when you live in a well kept, safe neighborhood. You bash us for not being as good at sport, I will bash you for gang ridding, unsafe neighborhoods.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Like I said I challenge the reader, where would you want to live Clovis or Bakarsfield. Look at the recent CW article that went national about. At least at Centennial we don't have the Staff and Principal prying into our kids business by looking at their Facebook and Email (Refer to may16, 2011 article) like at Clovis West. Don't have to do that when you live in a well kept, safe neighborhood. You bash us for not being as good at sport, I will bash you for gang ridding, unsafe neighborhoods.
I have no dog in this fight and probably have more allegiance to BHS(my mom is a graduate) than any Clovis school, but I've always felt safer in Clovis than Bakersfield. Maybe it was just the part of Bakersfield that my grandparents lived within, but I was always more comfortable hanging out with friends in Clovis(which we did quite a bit in HS as there isn't alot to do in Kingsburg) than I was going in Bakersfield.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Like I said I challenge the reader, where would you want to live Clovis or Bakarsfield. Look at the recent CW article that went national about. At least at Centennial we don't have the Staff and Principal prying into our kids business by looking at their Facebook and Email (Refer to may16, 2011 article) like at Clovis West. Don't have to do that when you live in a well kept, safe neighborhood. You bash us for not being as good at sport, I will bash you for gang ridding, unsafe neighborhoods.
What part of Clovis is gang ridden? Give me an intersection. I don't know a lot about the layout of Bakersfield so I won't comment about feeling safe there. But every where I have been in Clovis is fine. Maybe the Kings Canyon area which is mainly Sunnyside's area.
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Like I said I challenge the reader, where would you want to live Clovis or Bakarsfield. Look at the recent CW article that went national about. At least at Centennial we don't have the Staff and Principal prying into our kids business by looking at their Facebook and Email (Refer to may16, 2011 article) like at Clovis West. Don't have to do that when you live in a well kept, safe neighborhood. You bash us for not being as good at sport, I will bash you for gang ridding, unsafe neighborhoods.
Have you forgot about the Centennial Football player that murdered his mother?
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Like I said I challenge the reader, where would you want to live Clovis or Bakarsfield. Look at the recent CW article that went national about. At least at Centennial we don't have the Staff and Principal prying into our kids business by looking at their Facebook and Email (Refer to may16, 2011 article) like at Clovis West. Don't have to do that when you live in a well kept, safe neighborhood. You bash us for not being as good at sport, I will bash you for gang ridding, unsafe neighborhoods.
Ummm country club estates 1,2,3 certainly are not riddled with gangs, nor is Woodward Lakes the Bluffs or the surrounding neighborhood of CW. Your description of Clovis Unified, specifically CW is so far off that once again you show your complete ignorance and lack of ability to comprehend a complex thought. Mr. K-Town sounds like Stephen Hawking when comparing your rediculous banter. Go back in your hole.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 27, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
What part of Clovis is gang ridden? Give me an intersection. I don't know a lot about the layout of Bakersfield so I won't comment about feeling safe there. But every where I have been in Clovis is fine. Maybe the Kings Canyon area which is mainly Sunnyside's area.
I grew up there....Bite me. :d:
Quote from: whatahorse on May 27, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
I grew up there....Bite me. :d:
Nothing wrong with growing up there. I am just saying that is the only area of Clovis that I could possibly see someone feeling unsafe in. It doesn't bother me at all. I would rather not bite you either.
For Bako-Factless,
Clovis crime stats: http://www.city-data.com/city/Clovis-California.html (http://www.city-data.com/city/Clovis-California.html)
Bakersfield crime stats; http://www.city-data.com/city/Bakersfield-California.html (http://www.city-data.com/city/Bakersfield-California.html)
Scroll about a quarter down the page to the charts. There is a breakdown by type of crime but the telling numbers are the total the higher the number equals more crime. National average = 319.2, Bakersfield = 441.3, Clovs = 238.9. Sorry man but you are wrong again. Not only is Clovis safer but it is significantly below the national average while Bakers field is significantly above the national average.
Quote from: whatahorse on May 27, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
I grew up there....Bite me. :d:
Kings Canyon and Clovis Ave is well below the 38* parallel
Some of the Clovis/Fresno P.D. officers you see at the games have/had sons playing, their kid in band, alumni or are reserve officers who have kids who attend the school. Two birds with one stone. :u:
If you are that damn scared to go to Clovis or Fresno then you have lived a sheltered life & haven't seen how crappy the rest of world is. Maybe you should just stay in Bakersfield.
At least in the discipline of athletics Bakersfield school are competitive with Clovis Unified. In a comparison between the two Citys (safe environments)...............it's not even close. The state of california rated the safest and unsafe cities based on a numerical score of 1 to 10. They rate the cities in two areas of crime................the first being violent crime (assualt ,rape, and murder)..............and the second being property crimes (theft/damage). The state of California ranks Bakersfield 6 for violent crime and a 7 for property crimes (higher numbers being the worse). The same agency rates Clovis a 3 for violent crime and a 5 for property crimes. Another site that ranks the safest place in America to live.....ranks Clovis #58 safest place to live in the country...........200 cities are ranked...........and Bakersfield did not make the list. Another "Red Ribbon" for Bakophats!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..................because the Anthill is only sure of one area that Bakophats has actually experienced in Clovis...and that would be Veterans Memorial Stadium on the night of the Valley Championship game (CW vs. Drillers he mentioned he was there in a post). On that night the most violent behavior the Anthill saw was exhibited by the Golden Eagle running game and defense in the second half.
The Anthilllegend
Phats has no fear of Clovis, he has you guys eating out of this hand. As a master stirrer myself, I see what Phats has done. He stirred, you guy's all bit on it. I would imagine Phats lives at Motel 6 down by 99 in Bako Town or a hospital in Porterville. ;)
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 11:17:11 AM
Phats has no fear of Clovis, he has you guys eating out of this hand. As a master stirrer myself, I see what Phats has done. He stirred, you guy's all bit on it. I would imagine Phats lives at Motel 6 down by 99 in Bako Town or a hospital in Porterville. ;)
Coach I think your thinking of "Old 99" or Union Avenue as those of us who do know Bakersfield call it.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 27, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
What part of Clovis is gang ridden? Give me an intersection. I don't know a lot about the layout of Bakersfield so I won't comment about feeling safe there. But every where I have been in Clovis is fine. Maybe the Kings Canyon area which is mainly Sunnyside's area.
I don't feel safe in Clovis OR Bakersfield! All those cowboy hats and boots are a little disconcerting....... ;)
It's the BIG belt buckles for me, very threatening. :shock:
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
It's the BIG belt buckles for me, very threatening. :shock:
are those BIG BUCKLES compensating for a lack of size elsewhere? :D :D :D
Quote from: whatahorse on May 27, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
are those BIG BUCKLES compensating for a lack of size elsewhere? :D :D :D
Do you think that's what fuels the need to dominate in every other way possible?? ;)
Quote from: diesel on May 27, 2011, 12:03:50 PM
Do you think that's what fuels the need to dominate in every other way possible?? ;)
you may be on to something there.... :shock:
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
It's the BIG belt buckles for me, very threatening. :shock:
The spurs are what you should fear! ;)
Quote from: valleynative on May 27, 2011, 12:18:09 PM
The spurs are what you should fear! ;)
Yep ya gotta watch out for those "Buckle Bunnies" :shock: ;)
Quote from: diesel on May 27, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
I don't feel safe in Clovis OR Bakersfield! All those cowboy hats and boots are a little disconcerting....... ;)
.... my mother, a real cowgal, called 'em "drug store" cowboys!!!
Quote from: bksflddan on May 27, 2011, 12:32:03 PM
.... my mother, a real cowgal, called 'em "drug store" cowboys!!!
We called them goat ropers.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 27, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
We called them goat ropers.
Yep, by the look of your avatar and your posts you be a real cowboy.... :D
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 11:17:11 AM
or a hospital in Porterville. ;)
Not sure too many people got that one...
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 11:17:11 AM
Phats has no fear of Clovis, he has you guys eating out of this hand. As a master stirrer myself, I see what Phats has done. He stirred, you guy's all bit on it. I would imagine Phats lives at Motel 6 down by 99 in Bako Town or a hospital in Porterville. ;)
Finally someone caught on, but however, I do live in the country club of Riverlakes that much is a fact. It is very easy to get everyone on here to eat out of your hand. It's funny though where I grew up in Ohio the teams there would crush anyone here in the Valley, Cincinatti Moeler, Elder, Colerain. The ones in northern Ohio would have no probelms either, St. Edward (Nationally ranked #1 in one High School poll at the end of last season, Delassale was #1 in the other) and St. Ignacious. Comparing apples and oranges. What really killed me was somebody mentioned that the besides private schools the TRAC was the model conference in California that everyone tries to model after, that was a real laugher! The TRAC has never even come close to producing a State football champ. Anyone with a right sense of football knowledge knows the PAC-5 is the best down south that everyone tries to model after.
Quote from: izne1home on May 27, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
Not sure too many people got that one...
Yeah I really need to play with people my own age I guess.
But Phats, you still haven't explained your inconsistency. The premise of this thread is that CUSD is pulling away from Kern. That spawned pages of discussion concerning the whys and why nots. The most common non-CUSD explanation is that Clovis has certain unique advantages that no other community in the valley has. Turns out it is a commonly held belief.
The CUSD supporters have been arguing that not all of CUSD's success can be attributed to those so-called advantages, and that in reality, most of those advantages are based more on perception than reality.
In the face of all the other south valley posters who are trying valiantly to paint Clovis as a Shangra-la where the streets are made of gold and the athletes are given perks that others can only dream of, you come along and point out that in reality, Clovis is a crime ridden cesspool.
So, what is it? A crime ridden cesspool that manages to overcome its challenges with hard work and ride herd on other school districts? Or a Shangra-la community that anyone would live in if they had the means (including you) that manages to ride her on the other school districts?
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
Finally someone caught on, but however, I do live in the country club of Riverlakes that much is a fact. It is very easy to get everyone on here to eat out of your hand. It's funny though where I grew up in Ohio the teams there would crush anyone here in the Valley, Cincinatti Moeler, Elder, Colerain. The ones in northern Ohio would have no probelms either, St. Edward (Nationally ranked #1 in one High School poll at the end of last season, Delassale was #1 in the other) and St. Ignacious. Comparing apples and oranges. What really killed me was somebody mentioned that the besides private schools the TRAC was the model conference in California that everyone tries to model after, that was a real laugher! The TRAC has never even come close to producing a State football champ. Anyone with a right sense of football knowledge knows the PAC-5 is the best down south that everyone tries to model after.
Clovis West beat Massillon HS in Ohio in 98.
CUSD 1 Ohio School District(s) 0
Quote from: FENIX on May 27, 2011, 01:11:29 PM
Clovis West beat Massillon HS in Ohio in 98.
CUSD 1 Ohio School District(s) 0
Yep, true fact. Bako, I gave you a way out and you hung yourself with nonsense. You are on your own now. Poor guy....
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 01:14:43 PM
I gave you a way out ...
I noticed that. You are getting soft.
Speaking of stirring the pot, the Anthill started this thread fifteen pages ago!!!!!! Who has who eating out of their hand?
Ant has been sent to his room after last nights fiasco of misinformation from him. :D
Divison 1 indeed.
Quote from: closerthanyouthink on May 27, 2011, 01:17:43 PM
Can I get a little respect then? :)-
Amen brother. You look great in your picture.
Quote from: ETKilla on May 27, 2011, 01:42:25 PM
Amen brother. You look great in your picture.
You can call me Optimus..... ;)
I guess if you say it enough time someone is bound to believe you. My facts are just that, facts from the C.I.F. historian Mr.Barnett. Any disagreements would be with him. Thanks for playing Coach.
By the way...............Clovis UNified just won their 25th Valley Championship of the year.....and a National Baseball Championship (thier 3rd such title) to go with it. Maybe Frontier will bring the bacon home in D2!!!!!
Why do all threrads turn to Clovis West.......................they don't all turn to CW.......in this case it's hats off to the Bears..........they did the TRAC proud!
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: BakoPhats on May 27, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
Finally someone caught on, but however, I do live in the country club of Riverlakes that much is a fact. It is very easy to get everyone on here to eat out of your hand. It's funny though where I grew up in Ohio the teams there would crush anyone here in the Valley, Cincinatti Moeler, Elder, Colerain. The ones in northern Ohio would have no probelms either, St. Edward (Nationally ranked #1 in one High School poll at the end of last season, Delassale was #1 in the other) and St. Ignacious. Comparing apples and oranges. What really killed me was somebody mentioned that the besides private schools the TRAC was the model conference in California that everyone tries to model after, that was a real laugher! The TRAC has never even come close to producing a State football champ. Anyone with a right sense of football knowledge knows the PAC-5 is the best down south that everyone tries to model after.
Riverlakes Country Club?????? Riverlakes is a dumpy public course you play for 20 bucks.......Seven Oaks is the only CC west Stockdale CC.
Bitter? What am I bitter about? I have a book in front of me, 100 years of high school football. Mr. Barnett the C.I.F. historian authored it. Mr. Barnett, not myself say's you are wrong. So I suggest in only the way you could. You hook up Mr. Barnett with Doc.
They can arm wrestle or something.
If you aint winning you aint no fun huh?
You guys are arguing semantics! Clovis HIGH won valley championships while they were a part of SOME OTHER DISTRICT before Clovis UNIFIED was formed! SHEESH!!!! WHATEVER!!! ;)
You run with that princess..... :D
Angry man. You just couldn't make the Doc vs Barnett match-up happen. Big will contact the C.I.F. and inform them that the historian of the Central Section has it wrong. "Our" The Anthill Legend say's so.
You need to talk out that rage/anger.
Boxers or Briefs with Doc?
"Doc said so........." :D
All three of you guys are making me laugh. Who really cares that much? I guess I don't because I am not trying to prove that I am right.
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 27, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
By the way...............Clovis UNified just won their 25th Valley Championship of the year.....and a National Baseball Championship (thier 3rd such title) to go with it. Maybe Frontier will bring the bacon home in D2!!!!!
Why do all threrads turn to Clovis West.......................they don't all turn to CW.......in this case it's hats off to the Bears..........they did the TRAC proud!
The Anthilllegend
Softball:
DIVISION II
No. 1 Frontier 5, No. 6 Lemoore 2
DIVISION III
No. 1 Ridgeview 1, No. 3 Kerman 0 (8 innings)
and McFarland won DVI
He is just trying to price what he stated, CUSD won it's first valley title on 1970. Clovis, not part of CUSD at the time, won a billion years ago. Simple. To the point.
Quote from: FENIX on May 27, 2011, 01:11:29 PM
Clovis West beat Massillon HS in Ohio in 98.
CUSD 1 Ohio School District(s) 0
Clovis West has an amazing ability in scheduling powerhouse teams in their down years, I remember that Massillon game because I have family in Ohio including a first cousin, Michael McGrath who is police chief of Cleveland and a football fan.CW beat Massillon about 21-7, after being down 7-0 at halftime.Massillion finished the year at 4-6 for their first losing season in like 22 years. They were shut out that year by teams that had not beaten them in decades. The next year they were 10-1 and started another great run of teams. It's like CW against DLS –the first year they played DLS was coming off their first loss in about a decade. Not only that but a few weeks later Clayton Valley High tied them 17-17 with one of their below average teams. I was at the game when CW beat DLS 7-0 .DLS improved as the year went on and if the two teams meet again in a playoff—it would have been DLS by 3 td's.
Clovis West had a genius setting up those games –I would have loved to have had him as a finance adviser.
Now I know who you are. :D
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 27, 2011, 09:57:41 PM
Now I know who you are. :D
Give it a rest for God's sake.
P.S. Any attempt at outing however subtle is strongly frowned upon by the mamagement around this establishment.
Doc Buchanan- isn't he the guy that Kevin Costner went looking for? he was played by Burt Lancaster, and he( kevin Costner) kidnapped James earl Jones to drive to clovis to Find Doc Buchanan? :D LOL
Quote from: bigfan on May 28, 2011, 08:00:45 AM
P.S. Any attempt at outing however subtle is strongly frowned upon by the mamagement around this establishment.
Hey bigfan, did you get that invitation I sent you? I mailed it to: Henry Jones, 3457 E. Alluvial. Isn't that right?
Quote from: bigfan on May 28, 2011, 08:00:45 AM
Give it a rest for God's sake.
P.S. Any attempt at outing however subtle is strongly frowned upon by the mamagement around this establishment.
Easy Skippy, it's a good thing, we both live in God's country.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 28, 2011, 10:04:05 AM
Easy Skippy, it's a good thing, we both live in God's country.
You two till spending your afternoons eating Jello and playing dominoes in the day-room at Shady Oaks?
He and his family are very well respected up here. I'd share a Jello any day with him.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 28, 2011, 10:10:39 AM
He and his family are very well respected up here. I'd share a Jello any day with him.
Down here too. Although I'm not sure about sharing a Jello with him.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 28, 2011, 10:04:05 AM
Easy Skippy, it's a good thing, we both live in God's country.
You live in Clovis or Northeast Fresno Coach? ;)
Different God. ;)
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on May 28, 2011, 10:59:46 AM
You live in Clovis or Northeast Fresno Coach? ;)
They both live on the same street as Bakophats.
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2011, 11:47:50 AM
They both live on the same street as Bakophats.
Corcoran State Pen?
Quote from: Coach Hurd on May 28, 2011, 11:58:16 AM
Avenal..... :shock:
I could have sworn it was Tehachapi. Did you guys get a transfer?
Witness protection and all.... :u:
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2011, 11:59:48 AM
I could have sworn it was Tehachapi. Did you guys get a transfer?
Critchlow OK'ed it...... :cry:
Coach9/Hurd: Do not read this post! The Emerald City is about to place an exclamation point on their"off the chart" altheltic achievements for 2010-11. The districts 25 Valley Championships.....is an Evil Empire record hual (which was aided by Clovis North's tearing up D2 for 8 titles. Todays Fresno Bee brought more bad news to challengers of Clovis Unified........appearantly ESPN Rise now gives finacial awards to districts/schools that win National Championships and the Bears of Buchanan are about to have a "double ring" ceremony for baseball and boys volleyball. Trophies and plaques are one thing........... but when they start dangling cash rewards out in front of the Emerald City......things could get worse (if that's possible). It won't be all that much money..................but enough to off-set the cost of the NC banners. 2 NC's, 2 State titles, 1 Southern Region title............ESPN Rise needs to get office space in CUSD.....they will be here again for the State Tack Meet (CUSD is the host)this weekend. Just last year ESPN named Clovis, California........"Wrestling Town USA" and Clovis West the 9th best athletic school in the nation(go figure!!!)
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West............................because it's a very safe place to live! The Anthilllegend just took a liesurely stroll from "The Bluffs" .........to scenic "Woodward Park"....down to the "Parkway along the River".....past the "Sportmans Club"........up to "The Lakes"....... stopped at the "Fort Washinton Plaza" to get a beverage.....treked through "Madison Ridge and the The Dominion" ..........past the Golden Factory (CW)......and returned to the Bluffs......without a violent/threatening incident. Where the hell is this ghetto Bakophats is talking about!!!!
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 30, 2011, 09:18:09 AM
The districts 25 Valley Championships...which was aided by Clovis North's tearing up D2 for 8 titles...
Hey Mr. Legend, I thought the only division that mattered was D1? Just curious. ;)
Quote from: dpbronco on May 30, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Hey Mr. Legend, I thought the only division that mattered was D1? Just curious. ;)
Too FUNNY!! :u:
Just a temporary holding cell until they (CN) are physically developed enought to play with the big boys!!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West....................because the Broncos finished at the bottom of the TRAC in almost everything ...........and the bottom of the TRAC is......well..... the top of the rest of the section!!! North will soon be a full-grown TRAC power....and they will be replaced by the new dominators of D2....Clovis South/Bradley High School (not built yet, but land purchased and plans drawn up).
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: anthilllegend on May 30, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
Clovis South/Bradley High School (not built yet, but land purchased and plans drawn up)
Well deserved honor for Dr. Bradley. Hopefully the school mascot will be the Tanks with black and gold uniforms.
Remember - you heard it here first.
Quote from: izne1home on May 30, 2011, 01:22:42 PM
Well deserved honor for Dr. Bradley. Hopefully the school mascot will be the Tanks with black and gold uniforms.
Remember - you heard it here first.
Black and gold would look a lot like Edison, wouldn't it?
Quote from: diesel on May 30, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
Black and gold would look a lot like Edison, wouldn't it?
No, ET is black and yellow. I'm talking black and gold, like the Saints.
Or black and camo...
(http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/12/military_army_navy_120708/120608_armynavygame2_800.JPG)
Quote from: izne1home on May 30, 2011, 02:27:05 PM
No, ET is black and yellow. I'm talking black and gold, like the Saints.
Or black and camo...
(http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/12/military_army_navy_120708/120608_armynavygame2_800.JPG)
Great picture for you to post on this day -- chokes me up though, thinking of all the Army buddies of mine that are no longer around :cry:
Quote from: hsfan on May 30, 2011, 02:39:15 PM
Great picture for you to post on this day -- chokes me up though, thinking of all the Army buddies of mine that are no longer around :cry:
They're angels on our shoulders.....and they're still around....in our thoughts and in our hearts. :u:
The gap between CUSD and the balance of the valley just narrowed.....................the Bears were only moved to #3 in the nation in boys vollyball (final poll)........so no National Championship!!!! had to settle for a Southern california D1 title!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..........................because the Clovis West girls track and field team is currently ranked #3 in the nation (too bad Long Beach Poly is #1)...............so not state title this weekend!!!!
The Anthilllegend
I dont know about anyone else, but the ANTHILL is starting to wear on me. :u: Kind of enjoy the posts.
Quote from: ETKilla on June 03, 2011, 10:10:59 AM
I dont know about anyone else, but the ANTHILL is starting to wear on me. :u: Kind of enjoy the posts.
I am confused...are you getting sick of him or not?
Quote from: ETKilla on June 03, 2011, 10:10:59 AM
I dont know about anyone else, but the ANTHILL is starting to wear on me. :u: Kind of enjoy the posts.
Wear on you or grow on you??? :)
Quote from: valleynative on June 03, 2011, 10:13:46 AM
Wear on you or grow on you??? :)
Ok, lets go with grow, LOL. It was one of those "special" moments that something else sounded good.
http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/06/03/2414223_p2/clovis-sanger-close-academic-achievement.html
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 04, 2011, 09:05:53 AM
izne1home.........the Anthill just started laughing (which he does not do often)....when he saw Clovis Unified #2 state ranking in educating minorities (Fresno Bee). All the excuses for this districts dominance (that come out of the south) are just about gone...........except for the fact they just get after it. CUSD can be an amazing place, a frustrstrating place, and confusing place, a rewarding place................but one place they don't want to be is............. "second place."
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.........................because they teach to all the kids............not just the top and the bottom (a current trend in education). The Anthill is sure that CUSD is not happy with being ranked #2 in the state in teaching minority students.....next years poll will be interesting!!!
The Anthilllegend
More apples and oranges!!! Sanger Unified is ranked much higher and is way more successful than CUSD in these assessments! ... Why isn't KHSD even ranked at all??????????????????????? They aren't a unified school district. It split off in 1913. Bakersfield City School District and Kern Community College and High School District (State mandated separation that has become KHSD). Why doesn't Clovis have a Community College? Kern Community College District has campuses all the way up to Bishop!!
Fresno Community College is here, they have a campus in Clovis and Madera, Oakhurst.
Willow International
The Anthilllegend is no mathematician but the last time the "legend" took a test ................#2 (Clovis Unified) comes before #16 (Sanger Unified). But..... some how the district ranked some #16" is really doing a better job" than the second ranked district (#2 CUSD). Why would the state educators put CUSD above Sanger (14 spots)....if Sanger does a better job????? It's strange how many excuses there are coming out of Bakersfield.....nothing that CUSD does well..... is because they work hard or do things right!!! The major issue (difference) here appears to be these damn "apples" and "oranges".......aren't they both round????? Just what are the students in Bakersfield....are they apples or oranges???
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..............because the Golden Eagles will honor 23 validictorians when they graduate next Tuesday. Looking at the ethnic make up of these 23 scholars...........it's obvious some were born "apples".......and some were born "oranges."
The Anthilllegendl
Actually the Oakhurst, Clovis, and Madera campuses are affiliated with Reedley college.
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 04, 2011, 11:59:55 AM
The Anthilllegend is no mathematician but the last time the "legend" took a test ................#2 (Clovis Unified) comes before #16 (Sanger Unified). But..... some how the district ranked some #16" is really doing a better job" than the second ranked district (#2 CUSD). Why would the state educators put CUSD above Sanger (14 spots)....if Sanger does a better job????? It's strange how many excuses there are coming out of Bakersfield.....nothing that CUSD does well..... is because they work hard or do things right!!! The major issue (difference) here appears to be these damn "apples" and "oranges".......aren't they both round????? Just what are the students in Bakersfield....are they apples or oranges???
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..............because the Golden Eagles will honor 23 validictorians when they graduate next Tuesday. Looking at the ethnic make up of these 23 scholars...........it's obvious some were born "apples".......and some were born "oranges."
The Anthilllegendl
..everybody has one.
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 04, 2011, 11:59:55 AM
The Anthilllegend is no mathematician but the last time the "legend" took a test ................#2 (Clovis Unified) comes before #16 (Sanger Unified). But..... some how the district ranked some #16" is really doing a better job" than the second ranked district (#2 CUSD). Why would the state educators put CUSD above Sanger (14 spots)....if Sanger does a better job????? It's strange how many excuses there are coming out of Bakersfield.....nothing that CUSD does well..... is because they work hard or do things right!!! The major issue (difference) here appears to be these damn "apples" and "oranges".......aren't they both round????? Just what are the students in Bakersfield....are they apples or oranges???
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..............because the Golden Eagles will honor 23 validictorians when they graduate next Tuesday. Looking at the ethnic make up of these 23 scholars...........it's obvious some were born "apples".......and some were born "oranges."
The Anthilllegendl
Try going to the State source like any good administrator does ...
First things first B-Danny. The Anthilllegend is no damn administrator......he's a "legend." Secondly, if you are an administrator down in the southland...........you are part of the problem!!! Now.... here is a is alittle bit of the article from the Fresno Bee depicting the best schools in the state of California at educating minorities!!!
"The study surveyed 146 districts statewide. In 81 of the districts, more than half the students were Hispanic or African-American, including the state's four largest: Los Angeles, San Diego, Long Beach and Fresno. All four got D or D-plus grades."
"Clovis Unified, which is 32.8% Hispanic and African-American, ranked No. 2 in the state with a B-minus grade. (Lake Elsinore was No. 1 with a B.). Sanger Unified, which is 70% Hispanic and African-American, got a C-plus but still ranked in the top 20, at No. 18."
Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/06/03/2414223/clovis-sanger-close-academic-achievement.html#ixzz1OQW4CR65
The Anthill is not an adminstrator, but his degree in a primary subject matter (Kinesiology) and three add ons (English. Health Science and Socail Science) is some validation that "legend" knows how to read a simple news article!!!!! Using all his faculties and skills developed at four renown institutions of higher learning the "Anthill" has come to the conclusion that the #2 does not come after the #18. Therefore.............if you consider that the #2 is associated with Clovis Unified...and the #18 is associated with Sanger Unified...........the Anthilllegend.........based on his prior professional experience believes that Clovis Unified is the top district in the valley/area at teaching minorities to pass a standarized test!!!
OK......... B-Danny......... what's your theory?
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.............because it just happened again..............Clovis Unified brought home 4 state champions from the California State Track and Field Meet (one gold medalist from Clovis West). The Emerald City as a whole had had 13 medalists, (the TRAC had 15 medal winners)...........and Kern County had one 4th place finisher!!!! (go figure).
The Anthilllegend
Here you go B-Danny straight from the source...........just like any good administrator would do!!!
#1 Lake Elsinore Unified RIVERSIDE B
#2 Clovis Unified FRESNO B-
#3 San Marcos Unified SAN DIEGO B-
#4 Val Verde Unified RIVERSIDE B-
#5 Arcadia Unified LOS ANGELES B-
#6 Rocklin Unified PLACER B-
#7 Temecula Valley Unified RIVERSIDE B-
#8 Baldwin Park Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#9 Paramount Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#10 Los Alamitos Unified ORANGE C+
#11 San Ramon Valley Unified CONTRA COSTA C+
#12 Walnut Valley Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#13 Beaumont Unified RIVERSIDE C+
#14 Bellflower Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#15 Burbank Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#16 Culver City Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#17 Manteca Unified SAN JOAQUIN C+
#18 Sanger Unified FRESNO C+
#19 Glendora Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#20 Las Virgenes Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#21 Palos Verdes Peninsula Unified LOS ANGELES C+
#22 Porterville Unified TULARE C+
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West.........................because even they do it................people say they don't!!!!
The Anthilllegend
I feel that we are very lucky to have a former Marine Corps Sergeant Major as a member of this site.It is rare to find one who survived 30 + years in the corps----even as a former member of three "elite" units of the U.S. Army ----I find it unthinkable that I could ever refer to bksfiddan as " B-Danny".His former position would demand that I treat him with respect no matter how he may treat me on this site.For shame there anthillegend.
I agree. Anthill's arrogant approach to this board, to it's members, is disrespectful to all. But when you address a true American hero with such adolescent babble, it's reached a new low. Dude, seriously, you aren't all that. I've done my homework on you, give it a long overdue rest. You are embarrassing yourself and Clovis.
HSfan............we are having a discussion here.......... about educating minority students in California...........not paying homage to military veterans!!!!! The Anthilllegend is a patriotic person, supports the military in all it's endeavors, loves the Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force and bleeds red, white and blue. Now..... how do you equate calling Bksfiddan.........B-Danny (easier to remember) to his prior military accomplishment????? The Anthilllegend has no idea what Bksfid stands for....only that it was much easier to remeber and that it started with a "B" and had "dan" in it. No disrespect intended.........just making the Anthills case!!!!! And to you HSfan...........why doesn't bksfiddan......... go by Marinecorpsargentmajor........so the Anthill can pay proper respect to his rank and file............because B-Danny or bskfiddan has nothing to do with his military standing.......you just don't like the Anthill......that's it..........isn't it!!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..........................because the stadium that the Golden Eagles play in is a perpetual monument to the fighting men of this country......"Veterans Memorial Stadium."
Sempre Fi & Carpe Diem
The Anthilllegend
Quote from: Coach Hurd on June 05, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
I agree. Anthill's arrogant approach to this board, to it's members, is disrespectful to all. But when you address a true American hero with such adolescent babble, it's reached a new low. Dude, seriously, you aren't all that. I've done my homework on you, give it a long overdue rest. You are embarrassing yourself and Clovis.
I am no big fan of CUSD district --at least not on here.I love anthills posts though,It's only his last reference to bksfiddan that boiled my blood.I don't feel he has been disrespectful all members --certainly not to me--and he has had his chances to do so. :D
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 05, 2011, 01:57:15 PM
HSfan............we are having a discussion here.......... about educating minority students in California...........not paying homage to military veterans!!!!! The Anthilllegend is a patriotic person, supports the military in all it's endeavors, loves the Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force and bleeds red, white and blue. Now..... how do you equate calling Bksfiddan.........B-Danny (easier to remember) to his prior military accomplishment????? The Anthilllegend has no idea what Bksfid stands for....only that it was much easier to remeber and that it started with a "B" and had "dan" in it. No disrespect intended.........just making the Anthills case!!!!! And to you HSfan...........why doesn't bksfiddan......... go by Marinecorpsargentmajor........so the Anthill can pay proper respect to his rank and file............because B-Danny or bskfiddan has nothing to do with his military standing.......you just don't like the Anthill......that's it..........isn't it!!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..........................because the stadium that the Golden Eagles play in is a perpetual monument to the fighting men of this country......"Veterans Memorial Stadium."
Sempre Fi & Carpe Diem
The Anthilllegend
I did not see this until after after my last post.---I assumed your had read some of bskfiddan's posts and were aware of who he is --my mistake.
BTW, who is Bakersfddan? Im not sure anyone knows his credentials here.
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 05, 2011, 01:57:15 PM
HSfan............we are having a discussion here.......... about educating minority students in California...........
No disrespect, but the only people that lie more than lawyers, are statisticians, or people that use ONE or Two specific stats/numbers, to prove a point, but dont use ALL the stats and numbers. Statisticians are better than lawyers at pulling out one piece of the puzzle, and making that piece the ENTIRE PUZZLE.
First, the 'minorities' you mention at/in CW are not the same 'minorities' from sanger. Thats like saying the yankees and the royals are playing on the same playing field, or trying to compare USC to Fresno City College in Football. When you eliminate the 'minorities' from the equation, and just look at them as 'students', which is the only RELEVANT variable in this comparison, just like the yankees, Clovis Unified SHOULD have been number 1, so one could look at the same statistics and call CUSD's results a failure(as everyone knows, when the yankees dont win the WS, the season is a failure). However, if Sanger(the royals) do such a great job, with MUCH LESS to work with, and they make the playoffs,(or finish 18th in a meaningless poll for that matter) or are even in the running for the playoffs, its a major SUCCESS. Hence, which puzzle is more accurate, I guess depends on your perspective. Even Kevin Federline, who never went to school in CUSD(no matter who supplied wikpedia with inaccurate information), who never graduated HS, but definitely lived in the land of OZ when he married Brittany, understands the difference.
Quote from: ETKilla on June 06, 2011, 08:46:25 AM
Also with Sanger, Im not sure if many people know this, but Sanger has brought over many Clovis admin and teachers to help change their district. Its working.
Sounds like Central Unified's plan.
If what you read in the news is accurate, Sanger miight want to start recruiting some of Clovis' Finest to help them with the gang problems.
Sierra at one time used many Clovis teachers and coach's. Worked well for a long time. Why they changed I have no idea.
Careful SgtMaj, he is very sensitive. :shock:
Quote from: Coach Hurd on June 06, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
Careful SgtMaj, he is very sensitive. :shock:
Appreantly so are you... :shock:
Quote from: anthilllegend on June 05, 2011, 01:57:15 PM
HSfan............we are having a discussion here.......... about educating minority students in California...........not paying homage to military veterans!!!!! The Anthilllegend is a patriotic person, supports the military in all it's endeavors, loves the Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force and bleeds red, white and blue. Now..... how do you equate calling Bksfiddan.........B-Danny (easier to remember) to his prior military accomplishment????? The Anthilllegend has no idea what Bksfid stands for....only that it was much easier to remeber and that it started with a "B" and had "dan" in it. No disrespect intended.........just making the Anthills case!!!!! And to you HSfan...........why doesn't bksfiddan......... go by Marinecorpsargentmajor........so the Anthill can pay proper respect to his rank and file............because B-Danny or bskfiddan has nothing to do with his military standing.......you just don't like the Anthill......that's it..........isn't it!!!!!
Why do all threads turn to Clovis West..........................because the stadium that the Golden Eagles play in is a perpetual monument to the fighting men of this country......"Veterans Memorial Stadium."
Sempre Fi & Carpe Diem
The Anthilllegend
I've used bksflddan as a moniker for a number of years. When I was a pup in grade school the desks and chairs were all stenciled with "property of bksfld city school district" Sorta stuck in my memory. I don't wear my rank on my sleeve ... (tongue in cheek) nor do I hide behind it. I'm still a Marine Sergeant Major though retired. They don't swear you out!! It was an honor to serve. Not everyone can ... or should. That said ... I'm no hero but I carry scars. Not looking for sympathy just stating fact. I carry deep wounds that are not visable.
BTW antie my real first name is Danny! My great aunt who was a legend at Sanger High School named me!!!
Quote from: ETKilla on June 06, 2011, 12:45:08 PM
Appreantly so are you... :shock:
Nah, not so much. :D
Quote from: Coach Hurd on June 06, 2011, 12:09:10 PM
Sierra at one time used many Clovis teachers and coach's. Worked well for a long time. Why they changed I have no idea.
Actually, the HS Principle/Superintendent (Melissa Ireland) is a transplant from Clovis...also, the head counselor. I am sure there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
QuoteBTW antie my real first name is Danny!
Bakersfield Dan... Did the Drillers name Danny the Driller after you? If so, you my friend are overalls icon.
Please give Dottie and Danny Jr. our best regards. You're starting him off well..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfN_2Krfg2U
Quote from: GoldenHawksFootball on June 06, 2011, 02:28:42 PM
Bakersfield Dan... Did the Drillers name Danny the Driller after you? If so, you my friend are overalls icon.
Please give Dottie and Danny Jr. our best regards. You're starting him off well..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfN_2Krfg2U
... predates me ... and it's Danny Driller no "the" ... and Dottie Driller ....
The skills of "working in the trades" skipped me!!! My father and brothers were very skilled although one brother entered education. Those of you who live in bako and or visited the Madonna Inn in San Luis have seen my father and brothers handy work. If any of you have spent time at Camp Roberts north of Paso Robles my father "hung" the doors and did the finish carpentry in the old theater, infirmary, and chapel during WWII. He was too old to be drafted having been born in 1905 and had to many children ...
According to the PAGMETER, there is a huge gap. Gotta love the Driller preview, like 5 lines. Madera got twice as much at HM. Looks like a South Valley bias with the PAG.
Quote from: ETKilla on June 08, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
According to the PAGMETER, there is a huge gap. Gotta love the Driller preview, like 5 lines. Madera got twice as much at HM. Looks like a South Valley bias with the PAG.
I think it is more of a lack of information about the South Valley. Pag only gets what is fed and really does not research the South Valley thoroughly. It leads to many inconsistencies in his logic of rankings. Based in Fresno that is just the nature of the beast. Take it with a grain of salt. Even here in Bako most people "in the know" about HS sports are still way incredibly off base when comparing teams from different divsions, leagues, etc. Unless there is a lot of returning Seniors you never know until the ball is placed on the first kickoff tee.
Quote from: dirtbag on June 10, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
I think it is more of a lack of information about the South Valley. Pag only gets what is fed and really does not research the South Valley thoroughly. It leads to many inconsistencies in his logic of rankings. Based in Fresno that is just the nature of the beast. Take it with a grain of salt. Even here in Bako most people "in the know" about HS sports are still way incredibly off base when comparing teams from different divsions, leagues, etc. Unless there is a lot of returning Seniors you never know until the ball is placed on the first kickoff tee.
Would be nice to have a respectable view of the team. Im sure they will be tough. Anyone from Bako care to take a shot at a Driller preview?
Quote from: ETKilla on June 10, 2011, 09:30:16 AM
Would be nice to have a respectable view of the team. Im sure they will be tough. Anyone from Bako care to take a shot at a Driller preview?
Tough call ... about two-thirds will be up from JV and Frosh-Soph. Some legacy players (son's/grandsons of past Driller legends) that will surprise a lot of valley folks. Still, only time will tell. On paper the team to beat in 2011 is Stockdale with Martin and a sophomore that is faster than him ... number two is Independence with more to "prove" than anybody else. Liberty, Frontier, and Centennial lost an awful lot of those "big" guns so my "thoughts" for SWYL in 2011:
1. Stockdale
2. Bakersfield
2. Independence
4. Liberty
5. Centennial
6. Frontier
don't hurt me!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
...our gals are doin' their share: http://www.bakersfield.com/news/sports/local/x43955957/Shafter-High-grad-Jelmini-is-2nd-in-discus-at-NCAAs
If the gap is widening why isn't everyone flocking to Fresno?
Cause everyone in CA calls it Fresneck.
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 12, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
If the gap is widening why isn't everyone flocking to Fresno?
I guess being the 5th largest city in California might say people are flocking to Fresno...
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 12, 2011, 08:41:41 PM
Cause everyone in CA calls it Fresneck.
Funny, I have never heard it called that... not ever sure how that is supposed to support anything, but ok...
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 12, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
If the gap is widening why isn't everyone flocking to Fresno?
Because you're transportationally challenged, and you guys think that driving north means driving uphill.
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Quote from: izne1home on June 12, 2011, 09:21:53 PM
Because you're transportationally challenged, and you guys think that driving north means driving uphill.
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izzie ... this picture is an impossibility ... the time period for that bus BHS was "KC" and the sign would say Kern Community College and High School District as it was in my day. I realize you were a Fresnpatch Warrior or was it Kerman Beaver Catcher?
Inga Barks works out of Fresno now and I asked her why she does not move up there and chooses to stay to live in Bakersfield since her husband since has died. Her reply was, "Bakersfield is a much better place to live" I agree. A comment from a woman who knows both cities better than everyone on here.
I will be recording the Clovis West/Crespi game in 3D and it will be free for the taking whoever wants a copy. Question is why isn't anyone from Clovis West doing this? Why does a guy from Centennial in Bakersfield have to come to the plate for CW? As long as I hand out free copies and make no money I am free to record as I wish. You big bad CW fans need to support your team better than talking all this nonsense on how great your team is with absolutely no State titles.
Phats ......
You really need to step away from the keyboard for a while and do a little self reflection. You've gone from an amusing but over the top Centennial fan to a crazy anti-CW anti-CUSD zealot.
Even when you first showed up, your participation on this board seemed a little suspect. You're clearly not a coach....... You don't have a kid playing football, heck you don't even have a kid in high school. Your only ties to Centennial were living nearby and an unnatural attraction to Kessler because he spoke at your church once.... You're not close to any of the teams, so you bring no insight, and you have no historical perspective.... In fact, you don't even seem to be a fan of high school football beyond last year.
The ONLY thing you were good at was making outrageous predictions that were always wrong......
I know that you had already penciled in Centennial as the champion last year, but remember, it wasn't CW who burst your bubble and brought you back to reality.... So this CW obsession is a little curious and unsettling.
Maybe we need a restraining order.......
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 13, 2011, 08:45:56 AM
Inga Barks works out of Fresno now and I asked her why she does not move up there and chooses to stay to live in Bakersfield since her husband since has died. Her reply was, "Bakersfield is a much better place to live" I agree. A comment from a woman who knows both cities better than everyone on here.
Who the hell is Inga Barks and why should anyone on here other then you care what she think?
Head up and locked.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on June 13, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
Because a lot of us CW fans will be at the game so why would we want your stupid copy?
Come on, CW....don't look a gift horse in the mouth..... ;)
Quote from: diesel on June 13, 2011, 10:08:43 AM
Com on, CW....don't look a gift horse in the mouth..... ;)
Leave me out of this...thank you 8)
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 13, 2011, 08:45:56 AM
Inga Barks works out of Fresno now and I asked her why she does not move up there and chooses to stay to live in Bakersfield since her husband since has died. Her reply was, "Bakersfield is a much better place to live" I agree. A comment from a woman who knows both cities better than everyone on here.
Inga works out of her house ....
why do you guys even entertain phats, let him ramble on alone like drooling idiot he is.
Interesting commentary by Zack Ewing of the Bakersfield Californian on the focus of the initial post. The article is dated june 14, 2010.
http://www.bakersfield.com/blogs/school_house_zach/x1957465331/Counting-up-Valley-titles
The fact that you use Inga Barks for any type of character reference, says enough in and of itself.
Quote from: Love TheFn Game on June 15, 2011, 10:46:51 AM
Interesting commentary by Zack Ewing of the Bakersfield Californian on the focus of the initial post. The article is dated june 14, 2010.
http://www.bakersfield.com/blogs/school_house_zach/x1957465331/Counting-up-Valley-titles
Article was writen yesterday.
just noting that it was current.
Quote from: Love TheFn Game on June 15, 2011, 11:09:38 AM
just noting that it was current.
Naw man, I was just sayin it was this year, no biggie. Is it possible Zach Ewing and ANTHILL conspire on weekends???? Maybe their was a co-author not named here?????
Quote from: OriginalCVFan on June 15, 2011, 10:53:45 AM
The fact that you use Inga Barks for any type of character reference, says enough in and of itself.
Inga's references speak for themselves.
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Well hellooo Inga! :u:
Nuff said. From what little I have heard her speak, i pictured someone older, and much.......taller?
Quote from: OriginalCVFan on June 15, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Nuff said. From what little I have heard her speak, i pictured someone older, and much.......taller?
If you face her when you talk, and stand about 4 feet away, you can hear a slight echo.
Quote from: izne1home on June 15, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
If you face her when you talk, and stand about 4 feet away, you can hear a slight echo.
Hard to stand any closer than 4 feet, without getting arrested.
Quote from: closerthanyouthink on June 15, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
Major offenders Garces and SJM combined for one title. Poor, if not impossible, performance if you believe the athletic factory angle.
........
Any system that has one school playing four different divisions from DI to DIV like SJM has to be conceptually flawed.
EXACTLY ....SJM just can't come to embrace what they could be..... they seem so concerned that they will be perceived as "cheating" that they don't take advantage of the natural advantage afforded to them ..
AND I agree, SJM's system is conceptually flawed.... they should be D1 in all sports if they put their mind to it....
Quote from: izne1home on June 15, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
If you face her when you talk, and stand about 4 feet away, you can hear a slight echo.
she is a shoo-in for the CW Boosters Milf calander.....
Quote from: OriginalCVFan on June 15, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Nuff said. From what little I have heard her speak, i pictured someone older, and much.......taller?
Inga and my eldest daughter were hs classmates .... My eldest daughter was born in 1964 .... does that help?
Quote from: whatahorse on June 15, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
she is a shoo-in for the CW Boosters Milf calander.....
No she is not. You obviously have not seen the moms in that neck of the woods.
anyone notice how the two lead up articles about the City-County game were tilted toward a CW player who will not play in the game and his teammate a DE who will. The second article was about two County players and questioned how they would do up against a CW offense or defense. Even the interview on TV was Plummer and a CW lineman and part of the interview focused on a close up shot of the CW players valley championship ring. Wow, it really is all about Clovis West.
Quote from: eartotheground on June 17, 2011, 09:07:25 AM
anyone notice how the two lead up articles about the City-County game were tilted toward a CW player who will not play in the game and his teammate a DE who will. The second article was about two County players and questioned how they would do up against a CW offense or defense. Even the interview on TV was Plummer and a CW lineman and part of the interview focused on a close up shot of the CW players valley championship ring. Wow, it really is all about Clovis West.
It is ALL about the kids...some of us never loose sight of that!!
My hunch is that Coach Plummer chose the player to appear with him.
Don't be surprised that CW is woven into the articles. The number of pages on the Why People Hate CW topic is proof that while people don't like CW, people still read about them.
Email me after the game if you would like a copy and someone please answer my question: If Clovis is such a great place with all these valley titles why isn't everyone flocking there to live? Makes one wonder doesn't it? Crespi 35 CW 7. My prediction. CW's State title hopes will be flushed after the first game. PAC-5 conference is still the standard of Southern California prep football not the TRAC.
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Email me after the game if you would like a copy and someone please answer my question: If Clovis is such a great place with all these valley titles why isn't everyone flocking there to live? Makes one wonder doesn't it? Crespi 35 CW 7. My prediction. CW's State title hopes will be flushed after the first game. PAC-5 conference is still the standard of Southern California prep football not the TRAC.
HAHAHA, this dude is trippin. Man, I would love to just meet you one day to put a face with the name.
Did Glenn start up another account??
Announced! Bakersfield High opens the season against Mission Viejo on Sept 2nd at Diablo Stadium and it will be on TV! A clearly much tougher opponent than Crespi. Mission Viejo was was one win away from the State open Championship last year. A clear victory for Bakersfield High to get this game on the schedule. Congrats to coach Golla! A much better opponent than Long Beach poly too. If BHS wins they could have an inside track for the first ever bowl invite for a Valley team.
You only get one team this year bakophats, no jumping from team to team like you did last year as your kern counties boys fell like flies week after week. We got CW up here. Now pick yours!
Not jumping still a Centennial fan. Got to give credit where credit is due. Mission Viejo is a major score for BHS. It is also going to be the Uverse local prep game of the week. Got to admit even CW couldn't get a game like that. BHS was on TV last year against Poly also. Have not seen CW on TV at all, except for the championship game, but every game of that sort is on TV.
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Got to admit even CW couldn't get a game like that.
You mean the CW that just beat BHS in the VC game? That CW? You're right. MV doesn't want to take any chances of getting beat.
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Not jumping still a Centennial fan. Got to give credit where credit is due. Mission Viejo is a major score for BHS. It is also going to be the Uverse local prep game of the week. Got to admit even CW couldn't get a game like that. BHS was on TV last year against Poly also. Have not seen CW on TV at all, except for the championship game, but every game of that sort is on TV.
Centennial(bako) opens against Mission Viejo fats ... that's "facts" you can count on!!!
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Not jumping still a Centennial fan. Got to give credit where credit is due. Mission Viejo is a major score for BHS. It is also going to be the Uverse local prep game of the week. Got to admit even CW couldn't get a game like that. BHS was on TV last year against Poly also. Have not seen CW on TV at all, except for the championship game, but every game of that sort is on TV.
Maybe they don't get games like that for a reason, they did beat De La Salle twice. Don't get me wrong I'm not a big CW fan but you have to give credit when it is due. I am proud that CW is a Valley team when they beat teams from the North or South
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Email me after the game if you would like a copy and someone please answer my question: If Clovis is such a great place with all these valley titles why isn't everyone flocking there to live? Makes one wonder doesn't it? Crespi 35 CW 7. My prediction. CW's State title hopes will be flushed after the first game. PAC-5 conference is still the standard of Southern California prep football not the TRAC.
Hey Einstein. The PAC-5 is not a conference. It is a division made up of 5 conferences. The best prep football in the US is played in the PAC-5. No question in my mind.
Riddle me this, phathead. How many Bakersfield schools have ever beaten Clovis West in football?
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Not jumping still a Centennial fan. Got to give credit where credit is due. Mission Viejo is a major score for BHS. It is also going to be the Uverse local prep game of the week. Got to admit even CW couldn't get a game like that. BHS was on TV last year against Poly also. Have not seen CW on TV at all, except for the championship game, but every game of that sort is on TV.
Let me see...I recall CW playing Mater Dei back in the day when they were #1 in the country and beating them. Then beating DLS ending their home winning streak, being the first team to shut them out in a long time, and being the first team to beat them in back to back years in a long time. Played Servite and Centennial a lot the past 6 to 7 years and those schools have consistently been in the state championship game. The PAC 5 is one of the divisions in the Southern Section. The Trinity League is the league that Mater Dei, Servite, Crespi, St. John Bosco, Santa Margarita, J Serra, and Orange Lutheran. Bishop Amat, Mission Viejo, and Long Beach Poly are in the PAC 5. Know your facts before you post.
Stop making Phats look stupid, it makinking all you look bad. :)-
Quote from: flexmac3 on June 17, 2011, 01:24:55 PM
Stop making Phats look stupid, it makinking all you look bad. :)-
Nobody is making him look stupid, he does it all on his own.
Quote from: BakoPhats on June 17, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Not jumping still a Centennial fan. Got to give credit where credit is due. Mission Viejo is a major score for BHS.
Quote from: bksflddan on June 17, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
Centennial(bako) opens against Mission Viejo fats ... that's "facts" you can count on!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D what a tool.....
http://www.missionfootball.com/index.php/varsity-schedule (http://www.missionfootball.com/index.php/varsity-schedule)
I think this one has ran it's course. When the insults start a'flyin', it's time for thread lock applyin'.
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