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Bako Legacy posted that Serra has lost, Does BHS have a chance?

Calhisports said that Chaminade will likely play in D2. This leaves Cathedral (SD D1), Bakersfield, and Crenshaw fighting for one slot (Centennial, Mission Hills, and PAC-5 winners are likely in)

Crenshaw lost to Edison, Oaks Christian, LBP, and Bosco. This means Bako will only have to worry about Cathedral, but I think they only had a chance if vista Murrieta beat Centennial, which didn't happen.

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What a waste of $9.95

Yea good thing we havent missed two touchdowns...oh wait we have.  If they dont fix it soon I am going to get my 9.95 back

is anyone watching the D1 game on nfhs?

$9 per game or to watch that night? If it's just to watch that night then I'd be willing to pay $9 to watch all the games. I can't make it to any of the games & it'd be nice to watch the BHS/CN & MO/BC games.

It looks like it is $9.95 for a "Day Pass" which i think means as many games as you want.  Sounds like a good deal to me.

In favor of a 14-0 Westlake team with a higher rating  66 vs 55.9.......and as tough a schedule....both had some patsys in there as well as quality teams.

No Westlake played in the Open game. The 13-0 Drillers got passed up for a 12-2 Santa Margarita team

Why 3 spots? There's 2 play in games, 4 teams fro 2 spots? 1 section team will be left out. Why would San Diego get 2 spots? No one else has their sections aligned as D1 or Open. That's something the CIF and Cal Preps decide. So Central Section is essentially competing with Los Angeles and San Diego sections? No way that either Mater Dei or St. John Bosco don't get in and Centennial Corona or Vista Murrieta for 2 spots. Then it's between Clovis North, Bakersfield, San Diego and LA teams.


I'm sure CN got a look at this OLineman from St. John Bosco, Damien Mama. Listed at 6-5, 353 already looks like an NFL prospect.
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/damien-mama/rFDyyfTvEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/default.htm

Seems like there are two real questions.

1) Why 3 spots?

There are 2 regional bowl games D1 teams qualify for (Open and Division 1) which makes 4 spots available.  The Open game, as the name implies, is the true state championship and is Division agnostic.  This means that if the number 1 team in Southern Cal is a Division 3 team, then they will play in the Open game.  In the past, D1 teams have always played in the Open game.  This is the norm, but this year Serra is ranked higher than any D1 team except St John Bosco, which would make them eligible for the Open Division play in game.  Since Serra is a Division 2 team this takes one of the assumed 4 spots from D1 and gives it to D2.

2) Why would San Diego get 2 spots? No one else has their sections aligned as D1 or Open. That's something the CIF and Cal Preps decide. So Central Section is essentially competing with Los Angeles and San Diego sections?

When the state bowl was first brought back there were 6 divisions that were considered "Division 1" in terms of state bowl qualification (PAC-5, Inland, Northern, LA City D1, San Diego D1, and Central D1).  This was before the regional play in game was instituted, so there were, at best, 6 teams vying for 2 positions (Open and D1).  Last year (or maybe the year before), Oaks Christian, Westlake, and a few others moved to the PAC-5 and the CIF moved the Northern Division down to "Division 2" in terms of the state bowls.  Also, the CIF instituted the regional play in game, which opened up a maximum of 4 possible positions for 5 eligible D1 teams (PAC-5, Inland, LA City D1, San Diego D1, and Central D1).  Remember 2 of these 4 positions are for the best 2 teams in Southern Cal, and both spots can go to non D1 teams (although unlikely).  Since the PAC-5 and Inland divisions were so strong, they are both basically guaranteed a spot, so the winners of the LA City, SD, and Central were really competing for 2 spots (only one was left out).  San Diego D1 has typically been overshadowed by strong D2 teams like Helix and Oceanside, so this year the CIF and SD Section introduced a section Open Division to increase competition, and increase the likelihood that they get invited to the bowl game.  The SD Open Division Winner is considered "Division 1" in terms of the State Bowl regardless of their division last year.  This means that there are now 6 teams (PAC-5, Inland, LA City, SD Open, SD D1, and Central) competing for a maximum of 4 bowl bids.  Currently, St John Bosco (PAC-5) and Serra (a D2 team) are  in line for the Open Regional Bowl Game, while the winner of the Inland (VM or CC) and the SD Open (Oceanside or Mission Hills) are in line for D1.  This will leave out the winners of the LA City, SD D1, and Central Sections.

The Clovis North and Bakersfield are ranked pretty well relative to the LA City and SD D1 finalist, which would make the CS next in line should another spot open up.  The best bet for this extra spot would be if Chaminade (a D2 team) beats Serra.  Chaminade is ranked higher than both Bakersfield and Clovis North, but not Centennial of Corona, who would move up to the Open game, opening a spot for Bakersfield or Clovis North in the D1 game against the SD Open winner.

Another opportunity lies with the SD D1 Division.  The finalists in this division have each beaten a finalist in other divisions.  One finalist, San Pasqual, beat Mission Hills (a SD Open finalist), and the other, Cathedral, beat Vista Murrieta.  If VM or MH win their division, and the team that beat them head to head wins the SD D1 it would be difficult to justify VM or MH being invited over a team they lost to head to head.  This might shake things up enough for the Central Section winner to be invited because we are ranked higher than San Pasqual and Cathedral. (They would probably still find a justification to exclude us in this case)

I believe they come out Monday afternoon.

It looks like the Central Section D1 winner is the long shot this year. There are typically for spots available for 5 teams, but this year it is likely that one of those spots are taken by Serra a D2 team. Also, this year SD added an open division, so now there are 6 teams vying for 3 spots.  It is clear that the PAC-5 and Inland champs will get a bid leaving one spot for CS, LA, SD Open, and SD D1.  Calhisports has both teams in the SD Open Finals ranked ahead of any CS team.

The CS only hope is that Chaminade beats Serra on Friday.

Also there are some weird things with SD D1. Both teams aren't highly ranked, but each one has beaten one of the Inland finalists or one of the SD Open finalists. If the winners line up perfectly this may confuse the seeding committee enough to default to the CS Winner.

Oaks Christian 8 - Chaminade 8 Halftime

the fact that you have to be your section champion and pac 5 will eliminate each other

You are right the PAC5 will eliminate each other, but there will still be one team that is eligible.  The problem for Central Section teams is that the eventual PAC5 winner will get the nod over us (unless there is a head to head win for the CS champ vs the PAC5 champ).  Don't believe me? Ask the 2011 Drillers who were undefeated and got beat out by a 3 loss Santa Margarita team or ask CN who had to travel to Long Beach for a playin game against a team that had lost (fairly handily) to the Drillers who couldn't make it to the finals in the CS D-1 playoffs.  These example show that it doesn't matter who wins the PAC5, they will get the nod over the CS champ unless the CS champ has already beat them head to head.

The state playin game likelihood has a new wrinkle this year (SD added a new open division).  There are four possible spots for Central Section D-1 teams (2 open division and 2 D-1).  There will be 6 teams qualified for the D-1 spots (PAC-5, Inland, LA City, SD Open, SD D-1, and CS D-1).  The addition of the SD Open division practically excludes the chance for a SD D-1 team to get in since any good SD teams are competing in the Open division, but the Open division, from my understanding, makes teams like Helix (typically D-2) now competitive for D-1.  This leaves 5 teams vying for 4 spots, and we are hoping a SS D-2 team like Serra doesn't get picked up for the Open playin game. 

That being said... The best chance a CS team has this yr is for Edison to beat Crenshaw and for Bako to beat Poly. If Crenshaw or Poly (or even Centennial due to their loss to Poly) win their division after losing to a CS team, then we (CS D-1 Champ) stand a good chance to get a bowl selection. 

The selection committee will always choose the PAC-5 and Inland champs unless their is a head to head losss because their SOS is significantly higher.  Right now Crenshaw is the LA City favorite, so an Edison win could eliminate another qualifier from consideration.  Then it'd be four qualifiers for four spots, we'd have to hope two D-1 teams are selected for the open playin game, and our champ will be the last team selected and have to travel(that's just the way it is)

Cal Hi Sports is the official rankings but I can't even come across a list online.

Poly is #9 and Bakersfield is #20

http://www.calhisports.com/2013/09/16/week-3-state-rankings-updates/

Mission Hills of the San Diego Section lost to Eastlake 21-14.  Mission Hills was Clovis North's competition for the state game and their loss pretty much seals the deal.  The only variable now is what game CN will play in.  This depends on the PAC 5 winner. With Centennial beating Vista Murrieta last night, if LB Poly wins tonight their is a small chance CN could play the winner of Narbonne and Crenshaw in the Open Division. Probably won't happen, but it'll be interesting to see the results.

you just sound ignorant when you don't make things clear....i guess that is to be exepected....i had trouble  learning how the playoff groupings work....your post  are like me reading a book to know how mozart sounds ...


no matter what happens....any team going to a bowl game will have to beat  someone really good from the south....there is where my skepticism lay.

Last I checked we are talking about the State CHAMPIONSHIP... The entire concept is that the competition is "really good"

The explanation has been perfectly clear to me, but maybe that is because of that Mozart class I took at Bakersfield High...

LA city section champs have been as traditionally ignored as the CS.  They are not on par with the top tier in the SS.  It could happen...but extremely doubtful ...the only sections with NO chance ever would be the SF section and the Oakland section.

You are right both LA and Central sections have been ignored in the past, but this year many things have changed. There are now 4 spots for 5 possible D1 teams (assuming the 2 open will go D1, which they will) instead of 2 for 6 like last year. The LA section will probably not be ignored since narbonne is a consensus favorite in so cal and has beat both PAC 5 finalists this season.  You have to remember that the SD Section D1 is more of an ugly duckling than both the Central and LA Sections combined.  All of the good SD teams are D2. I think it will be hard for the selection committee to not allow a Central Section team this year regardless of the way any of Friday's games end up.  Central and Clovis North are ranked higher than both SD finalists and upsets in the other divisions can only help Central and CN's case

Everyone loves saying how down LBP is, but the reality they have only lost to teams ranked in the top 55 nationally.  They may not be the old Poly, but 99% of the high school teams in the country would have three blowout losses if they had Poly's schedule

What if Clovis North or Central wins out? Are you saying the committee has their mind made up based on last year the Drillers getting the shaft?
So basically if all 3 schools win out CN and Central will be last year's Drillers and Lompoc?

I have discussed this in other topics.  This year there are 5 divisions competing for D1. Most likely 2 of those 5 will make the open and 2 will definitely make the D1 game.  Based on current rankings if any one of Bakersfield, Central, Clovis North, or Clovis win CS D1 and that winner is undefeated the SD Section will be the odd man out.

No one is saying that Bakersfield is owed a spot. We are only using simple math saying there are probably 4 spots for 5 teams and the winner of the Central Section will more than likely be stronger than the winner of the San Diego Section.  Thus barring a huge upset in CS D1 the fourth spot will go our way.

I'm not saying I disagree with the pick. I'm saying let it play out before you make guarantees. I would pick the Drillers
based on them being the top dogs but I don't think their non league schedule was near as tough as many on this site make it out to be. Yes LBP is LBP, a usual power. Very over rated
and below average team this year. But who could have predicted the Garces would be the toughest opponent on that non league schedule? When you look at it like that, the schedule
doesn't look too strong. A central section school gave the Drillers the toughest game. It's a good thing there is a regional game. Because if there wasn't I don't think those schools
would be good enough to cut it for an at large bid. Congratulations to Garces because that is a huge accomplishment. Teddy I know you will hate that statement but let's give Garces
some credit for providing and outstanding game of the year so far.

Everyone loves saying how down LBP is, but the reality they have only lost to teams ranked in the top 55 nationally.  They may not be the old Poly, but 99% of the high school teams in the country would have three blowout losses if they had Poly's schedule

http://calhisportsfootball.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/top-25-overall-state-rankings/

Take a look at these rankings. Read the Bakersfield article. 4 of the 5 teams ahead of the Drillers in these rankings are part of the Southern Section's PAC 5 division. The team that isn't is De La Salle who is in Northern California. So things are looking good for Bakersfield. 18 of the last 20 participants in the state bowls have been teams that CalHiSports has recommended. That's pretty good. For those of you saying that this isn't the real website read this...

http://calhisportsfootball.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/first-post-coming-sept-15/

I think they made a mistake because Vista Murrietta is in the Inland Division not the PAC 5

Is that right? Garces wins  41 -7

That is what maxpreps is reporting. It is strange how hard it is to find the results from this game.  Nothing on this site, nothing in the Californian or zachs blog and twitter.