My son called me from school today to advise that our beloved Coach John Roberts has decided to step down after two very successful seasons. No reason was given--just said that he would miss all of the kids. I had heard rumors that Coach may step down after the season due to health problems, but I did not get the impression that this decision was HIS choice. I do not want to start making baseless accusations against anyone and I will reserve further comment until more information becomes available. However, as far as I am concerned, there should be no need to look further for a replacement beyond the coaches we already have on staff. If my two cents and my son's and ward's tuition money mean anything, I hope they will maintain stability in this program.
That's to bad Coach, maybe this will be handled better than many we have seen lately.
I truly hope so. This team is so close to a VC it's amazing.
John Roberts is a class act. Good luck. Have a great retirement. You deserve it.
In the Bak Californian reading between the lines it sounded like there may be something else that made Coach call it a career. Maples was already interviewing.
Garces......please take a look to the north towards DLS and see what a truly significant coach can do for your program. You have the money but you still allow "The Names" at Garces to run the program and the school. The alumni that care about the football program, and the school, understand the need for an independent coach with no ties the "The Names".
Good luck on hiring a good coach that can lead the Rams into the future.
It would be great to think that the search for the next HS coach is equivalent to the search at the college or pro level. It's not. There is no "Coaching Tree" standing at the KHSD facility. With the meager to non-existent pay, the long hours, the political hassles, trying to find a quality HS football coach is a very difficult task. Most of our good young coaches over the last few years in this town have either moved on to administration or have moved up to coach at a higher level. Comparing any program to DLS is unrealistic and unfair for a variety of reasons. Ladaceur at DLS has a lifetime commitment to that school that few other coaches in this State have to their program. I think private schools do have it easier than public schools in terms of building long term stability. Yet, I just don't see that many quality young coaches out there on the streets that would not have a huge learning curve. Garces is a team that has gone 9-1 two years straight, made it to the Semi's and VC finals. IMO, this is not a team that should be starting over from square one with an entirely new staff and system.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 03, 2012, 08:28:33 AM
Garces is a team that has gone 9-1 two years straight, made it to the Semi's and VC finals. IMO, this is not a team that should be starting over from square one with an entirely new staff and system.
Deja vu all over again. Sounds like the predicament CW was in after Hartigan stepped down in 2007. State ranked team coming back with an incredibly strong staff in place.
As I have have said on this site before this has been in the works for a while coach Roberts stepping down on his terms, and handing it over to Maples and DT.. which is what everyone wants
The wrench is the Admin or one person wants to do outside interviews for the job !!! The best guys are already there!!!!
You are correct Irish. That is why this situation is so frustrating. What is to gain by this process of holding outside interviews? Is this a vote of confidence for the current staff? I think not. Then, consider the effect on those who interview for the job and get passed over. They will naturally think the who process was a token gesture. I have heard rumors of one particular coach who has applied, who I respect very much. He was passed over three years ago when Garces hired Roberts. Do you think he would ever apply again if he is passed over a second time? Let's also not forget about the effect on the kids! This morning, half the team showed for the first day of weight training. No coaches showed, presumably because they are in limbo right now. This whole situation can become a mess very quickly. What's worse, this dilemma is totally unnecessary.
Unfortunately Irish, what everyone wants doesn't matter its what the "powers" in charge want that will take place.
I would have a problem with this also Ski, if the admin already knows who they want as the next coach then approach him and offer him the job. Don't waste others time with token interviews. It's not fair to those that "interview" and it's not fair to the kids. As for having people interview I'm OK with that, if the admin truly is after the best possible candidate a guy thats competitive should OK with going against the best to get the job. I'm not sure I'd want a guy leading my team that expects anything handed to him.
I'm not suggesting that Maples had any expectations, but as Irish pointed out in his post, there were rumors about this transition all last season. It was even mentioned during the playoffs. Many people claimed last season that Maples was the de facto coach, and that Roberts was more of a figurehead. I cant say i agree with that claim, but i can verify that Roberts took a very hands off approach last season, allowing his coordinators great latitude. So, my question is: why go through the interview process if the plan all along was to pass the torch to Maples? Here is the bottom line. Maples and his staff has gone 21-4 in two years, making the VC in year two, and coming within a two point conversion of possibly winning the whole ball of wax. The kids love these coaches and will run through brick walls for him. Who are you going to hire that is an upgrade from what you got? Unless they could coax Golla away from BHS (about as likely as hell freezing over), then stick with what you got!
Quote from: CoachSki on February 06, 2012, 11:10:25 AM
Who are you going to hire that is an upgrade from what you got? Unless they could coax Golla away from BHS (about as likely as hell freezing over), then stick with what you got!
Golla wouldn't put up with all the "Names" at Garces trying to tell him how to coach and to play their kids. Until Garces gets the "Names" out of the decision process and let real football people choose their next coach it's the same old story.
I love Mapes but he is going to tell the "Names" where to stick their suggestions and its not in the suggestion box."As I have have said on this site before this has been in the works for a while coach Roberts stepping down on his terms, and handing it over to Maples and DT.. which is what everyone wants
The wrench is the Admin or one person wants to do outside interviews for the job !!! The best guys are already there!!!!"
That's what BHS's admin thought when they threw the Driller's reigns to Jason Oliver, what a disaster. Golla has brought stability and winning back and has aggressively sought out quality opponents to increase the chance of a State Bowl chance.
I don't think you suggested anything of the sort, I agree with you if there was going to be a predetermined transition from Roberts to his successor then so be it don't hold interviews just for show.
I think the problem with telling the "names" where to stick it is that those names are the ones that write the checks and they may feel entitled to be in on the decisions, I'm only speculating here because I've never had the misfortune of being involved with garces :)-.
If they get rid of John Roberts in order to promote Maples to HC, they are making a huge mistake. What does he bring to the table that John Roberts didn't? Much less discipline and a ton more bologny? Maybe Garces is on to him and wants to go in a different direction. If thats Hronis or someone currently outside the program, that makes more sense than Maples. Garces has a ton of talent and they dont need to take a step back by forcing a good man out and replacing him with someone who got fired from East High.
BHS, I'm not sure who the "Names" are in the admin to who you are referring. It is a very structured organization to be sure. But, the President of the school certainly did not have enough pull to keep his brother as the head coach. The Principal, in my opinion, focuses more on academics than sports. Monsignor Mike just wants to win with honor. As for the powerful boosters, I can't imagine any of them pitting against Maples. So, I am kinda at a loss as to how to respond to your post. If you were to tell me some influential booster had an ax to grind with Maples, then that would make sense. That would also be horribly tragic that the best interests of the kids would take a back seat to keeping boosters happy. At this point, I refuse to accept that the powers in charge would allow this decision to be controlled by such influences. I hope I am not naive.
Quote from: BakoFan06 on February 06, 2012, 11:50:08 AM
If they get rid of John Roberts in order to promote Maples to HC, they are making a huge mistake. What does he bring to the table that John Roberts didn't? Much less discipline and a ton more bologny? Maybe Garces is on to him and wants to go in a different direction. If thats Hronis or someone currently outside the program, that makes more sense than Maples. Garces has a ton of talent and they dont need to take a step back by forcing a good man out and replacing him with someone who got fired from East High.
Maples has a VC ring from his tenure at East back in '04. Seemed like he knew what he was doing then.....
BakoFan, you got your facts all wrong. From all sources I have spoken to, it was Roberts decision to step down. I was originally suspicious based on earlier statements made by Roberts that he planned to coach one more year. As for the "baloney" you assert surrounds Maples, you could say the same thing about every coach at every level. The parents whose kids don't get to play always accuse the coach of playing favorites. Nothing new there. If there were any concerns about maples's being fired at East, he would have never been hired by Roberts in the first place. As for the loose reigns on the program, you don't have to be a drill sergeant to win.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 06, 2012, 11:55:41 AM
That would also be horribly tragic that the best interests of the kids would take a back seat to keeping boosters happy.
Unfortunately that is always a possibility, depends who the booster is and just how much pull they would have.
Maples had so much talent on that VC squad, no coach could screw that up. Although, I doubt he was more than 5 games over .500 in his career at East including that VC year. The football part is not Maples problem.
Loose reigns were an understatement. The kids ran wild in that program and it showed from the Varsity all the way down to the Frosh-soph.
I dont have anything personally against Maples and he could be a hell of a guy, I just dont think he is the right fit for Garces. Garces is a solid program and IMO, could be a valley power for a long time with the right coach and program.
I see Garces changing things around with all their young coaches, and call me crazy, but I would even venture to say your beloved Maples might not be there next year.
Man, the more I read my deja vu is getting deja vu.
I imagine the demographics at East were a large part of the issue with kids running amok. All I know is that Maples has been a large part of the success over the last two years. The success of the younger coaches has been, in large part, due to the tutelage of Maples. There would be a seamless transition if he takes over. That would not be the case if a new coach takes over, brings in his own hand packed staff, and possibly new system. Right "fit" or not, judge the man on what he has accomplished the last two years basically running this program.
I'm not sure about this Ski, "I imagine the demographics at East were a large part of the issue with kids running amok.", the demographics at BHS can't be too much different and Golla runs a tight ship, so that argument can't hold water.
I'm not sure I agree with you that you can only judge a guy by the last 2 years, remember Roberts was still the HC and a guy tends to act different if he's in charge as oppose to being 2nd in command. There is no better predictor of future behavior as past behavior and you have to agree east and garces are a little different (understatement of course).
First, I want to be clear that I am not intending to disrespect the kids at East. However, you can't really compare the kids at East to those at BHS. The East High district is probably the poorest and most under privileged in KHZD, next to South. East does not have much of a winning football tradition to speak of, so it has to be a major challenge to get the kids to buy into the program, let alone go to class, get good grades, avoid gang influence, etc. Holla may have to deal with some if these same issues, but it is a heck of alot easier to do it when you have the tradition like BHS has. Regardless, these are not major issues at Garces. We certainly have our own issues, but getting shot at on the way home from school is not one of them.
No need to get PC on us, I don't think anyone took it as being disrespectful.
If you knew me, you would know how far from PC I am. I just know it's a very touchy subject to bring up the subject of demographic factors when discussing challenges in a school environment.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 06, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
First, I want to be clear that I am not intending to disrespect the kids at East. However, you can't really compare the kids at East to those at BHS. The East High district is probably the poorest and most under privileged in KHZD, next to South. East does not have much of a winning football tradition to speak of, so it has to be a major challenge to get the kids to buy into the program, let alone go to class, get good grades, avoid gang influence, etc. Holla may have to deal with some if these same issues, but it is a heck of alot easier to do it when you have the tradition like BHS has. Regardless, these are not major issues at Garces. We certainly have our own issues, but getting shot at on the way home from school is not one of them.
I did....this is the exact response I would expect from someone who has no idea about East High, it's laughable. I would put our best against your best academically any day of the week. Sorry but to someone who works at East and coached at East, I would take a East kid over a Garces Kid any day of the week. Sorry but this just hit a nerve.
Force, putting east's best against their best sounds good, but how about you take east's best or top 10% out and garce's top 10% out and pit the remaining 90% what would happen? Whats the % of kids that graduate from garces that go on to college, high 80's or 90's, whats the % at east 20 tops? Every schools "best" matches up against against best its the rest that really are indicators of how the school is. Ski didn't say anything to get riled up over, in fact I agree with what he said. He agrees that garces has their own issues, they aren't the same as the issues faced by east kids/coaches/teacher but issues none the less. I can see your angle because you know east kids and grew up in Shafter you probably have the same bad taste for garces as I do.
See what I mean about a touchy subject? I meant no disrespect to the East high kids, teachers or admin. Just pointing out the obvious--East high kids, by and large, have to overcome tons of issues that kids at Garces don't have to deal with. How can you infer from this statement that Garces kids are better than East High kids? The top kids at East no doubt would excel at any school, private or public. That's not the issue here. How many of the Gate students at East play sports? The entire point was that you can't judge a coach based at his record when coaching at another school under totally different circumstances.
I know exactly what you mean Ski. Don't worry about it, people are going to read into what you say/write based on what their perception of other's perception may be.<--"How can you infer from this statement that Garces kids are better than East High kids? "
I understood exactly what you were getting at.
I don't think you can judge a coach based on his record of W's & L's anyway, theres no need to go into factors that make for success at the HS level we have beatthat horse to death.
Sorry I get protective about East High. IT's a great school that offers things that even Garces doesnt offer and I think it gets a bad wrap becuase of where it is located. Anyways, about the issue of getting kids to buy in. I never had an issue with discipline, inelligibilty, or a lack of buy in from those willing to put in the time. I asked alot and the kids responded.
Quote from: Forceuser on February 07, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Sorry I get protective about East High. IT's a great school that offers things that even Garces doesnt offer and I think it gets a bad wrap becuase of where it is located. Anyways, about the issue of getting kids to buy in. I never had an issue with discipline, inelligibilty, or a lack of buy in from those willing to put in the time. I asked alot and the kids responded.
I'm not sure there was a reason to "get protective" no ones said anything derogatory. Your definition of great must differe greatly from mine because east is far from "great".
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 07, 2012, 11:43:39 AM
I'm not sure there was a reason to "get protective" no ones said anything derogatory. Your definition of great must differe greatly from mine because east is far from "great".
When I refer to great I am referring to the education a kid can get if they choose to be a active participant in the process. The classes, course rigor, and expectations for our Honors classes are just as tough as any school in bakersfield. Here is my schedule of classes that I teach, Video Production, Video Production II, Website Design, Flash Animation, and a simple typing class. But there are few schools that offer what we offer here at East. Trust me Teddy I do understand what you are talking about, East does have it's inadequacies, but it also has it's pluses.
I can appreciate what you are saying, but every school's honors kids are top notch. As I stated earlier, take out the top 10% at east and where do you stand? The classes you teach I'm sure give kids an option that maybe wasn't there before and they sound really cool, but I have a problem with the "throwing around" of the word great or as is now chic "epic". A number of the high schools offer courses that are unique to that school, but percentage of those kids do not represent the entire student body. I'm sure east, like every other school, has it's pluses, but the bottom line is that for the most part kids at east are completely different from those at garces and they face different issues than those at garces, which is what Ski's point was which that lead us on this tangent.
QuoteHere is the bottom line. Maples and his staff has gone 21-4 in two years, making the VC in year two, and coming within a two point conversion of possibly winning the whole ball of wax.
Coach Ski: For better or worse season win/loss totals no longer define a programs ultimate success. W/L's and year-end season stats are only reflected upon as a fall-back when the real goal of obtaining a VC was not realized! I've read your posts ever since the VC game and I believe you feel the same. Take an 11-2 team that played no truly formidable opponents (other than the two teams they lost to) vs. a 10-3 team that played above their division and won a VC by knocking off a #1 seed. I would ask you who had the more successful season? W/L records are skewed these days due to "watered down" leagues as compared to "power conferences" or the "TRAC" not to mention 5 or more sectional division playoffs. Therefore be cautious not to over emphasize W/L's alone when considering a predecessor's qualifications. Character; respect, discipline and the innate ability to
"keep your nose clean" as a direct reflection on the institution should be the prevailing criteria. Then the W/L's and future VC's will fall into place more consistently which truly defines a programs elite status; ie; DLS-BHS. Now I'm going preempt your next post; I'm not inferring that the coaching talent does not already exist within the current staff or within very close proximity to the Garces community. I'm simply suggesting that everyone take a breathe and slow down. Let the administration complete their due diligence and the selection process is thorough taking into account the character traits of the next head coach to best assure LONG-TERM stability. GO RAMS!
Tailgater, you make some very valid points. I agree that integrity and honor should be the qualities one associates with the head coach of a reputable program. And I firmly believe Maples embodies these qualities. I have read several posts on this site that seem to imply something negative about Coach Maples character. I can only judge the man on what I have experienced. Without going into unnecessary detail, let me just say the Coach Maples would have had every reasonable basis to harbor a grudge against my son when he came on board based on a professional encounter with me several years ago. He didn't. In fact, he has proven to be a much bigger and honorable man than I probably would have been under the circumstances. He loves these kids and will bend over backwards for them. That's how I judge a good coach--can he inspire his players and lead them to become better men and, by extension, be successful. Success is not measured merely by wins and losses. I view success as a team working together to achieve its maximum potential. If the team is a .500 team, then just making the playoffs is a wonderful accomplishment. Next years team, IMO, is capable of winning a VC. That is why I am so concerned about preserving stability. Nothing is broken here, let's not try to fix it!
As for trusting the administration, it's not that I distrust them. However, I'm not entirely sure they fully comprehend the effect this process is having on the kids. Many of my son's team mates have openly stated they are worried about losing the assistant coaches if there is a switch. They also wonder what might happen if a new coach brings in a different scheme. Surely, if your son is a wing in the Wing T, he may be worried about converting to the spread. Let us also not forget the late start we will have to the offseason weight training program. Given all of these negatives, the admin better have Tom Coughlin's son lined up as the next coach to justify all this drama.
You are 100% correct Ski, you can only base your opinion of anyone on your expirence with that person! "That's how I judge a good coach--can he inspire his players and lead them to become better men and, by extension, be successful. Success is not measured merely by wins and losses. "...I could not agree with you more...
Garces may be at a turning point for its football program. They are presented with an opportunity to put into place a coaching staff that could be there for a long time. The hire of Roberts was a "reactive" move during the turmoil over the firing of David Fanucchi. Roberts is an alumnus and previous coach and they were able to hire him without offering a teaching position...at the time it looked to be a very good, but temporary solution. I see Maples as the same thing. While you could expect him to be there longer than two seasons, he is not a long term solution in my opinion.
Beyond the accusations regarding his past head coaching tenure, he works for the KHSD and teaches at another school; this is not the best solution for the Garces program. The administration needs to take a more "proactive" approach and make sure they secure a potential long term coach by offering a teaching position as well. Look at some of Kern County's most successful programs: Tehachapi (Denman), Centennial (Nixon) and Garces (under John Fanucchi) have all had long term success with solid, long term coaches. Bakersfield being the one glaring contrary, Golla won immediately. But I don't think there is any doubt that football programs are best served by a consistent staff and message.
I realize CoachSki that you want what's best for your son as he enters his senior year, but what's best for him may not be what's best for the program. Any coach worth his salt will tell you the program is bigger than any one team (season), and the team is bigger than any one player. I'm not saying Maples may not be the best choice, but lets not rush through this so your son and his senior class can have a good season; or Garces will be going through this process again way too soon and it will be some other dad's son who must go through the transition.
Quote from: WWallace on February 08, 2012, 09:12:59 AM
Garces may be at a turning point for its football program. They are presented with an opportunity to put into place a coaching staff that could be there for a long time. The hire of Roberts was a "reactive" move during the turmoil over the firing of David Fanucchi. Roberts is an alumnus and previous coach and they were able to hire him without offering a teaching position...at the time it looked to be a very good, but temporary solution. I see Maples as the same thing. While you could expect him to be there longer than two seasons, he is not a long term solution in my opinion.
Beyond the accusations regarding his past head coaching tenure, he works for the KHSD and teaches at another school; this is not the best solution for the Garces program. The administration needs to take a more "proactive" approach and make sure they secure a potential long term coach by offering a teaching position as well. Look at some of Kern County's most successful programs: Tehachapi (Denman), Centennial (Nixon) and Garces (under John Fanucchi) have all had long term success with solid, long term coaches. Bakersfield being the one glaring contrary, Golla won immediately. But I don't think there is any doubt that football programs are best served by a consistent staff and message.
I realize CoachSki that you want what's best for your son as he enters his senior year, but what's best for him may not be what's best for the program. Any coach worth his salt will tell you the program is bigger than any one team (season), and the team is bigger than any one player. I'm not saying Maples may not be the best choice, but lets not rush through this so your son and his senior class can have a good season; or Garces will be going through this process again way too soon and it will be some other dad's son who must go through the transition.
Can I get an AMEN............ :u: :u:
I don't want to beat this topic into the dirt any more than I already have. You are right Wallace, perhaps I am being selfish to hope for a Garces VC next year so my son can have that privilege. It's not just for him, however, but all of his team mates he has played along side over the last 3 years. I coached a few of these kids and they are truly tremendous young men. I tend to believe, however, that a VC is what is best for the long-term success of our program. Not just next year, but for as many years as it is reasonably attainable. On the positive front, from what I have been advised very recently, it appears the admin is doing a very diligent job of interviewing some very strong candidates. I am grateful, hopeful and relieved. I truly want what is best for the long term success of this program as I plan to be in the Garces community for quite some time. Let's hope all the planets align and we can all have our wishes fulfilled.
Since 1985 Garces has won 7 Section Championships; has been to the finals 11 times; has played in 16 Valley Semi's; and won league championship in the SSL and SEYL. All of their success can be attributed many different variable. However, one variable that cannot be ignored is that they had GARCES men running the program. From Frosh to the Varsity, the program has coaches who have played for Dave, John F., or John R. I think bringing in someone from the outside is something to consider, but that person would have a lot to learn about the culture and traditions of the school and program. The school needs an on-staff coach to help bridge the gap between the program and the faculty.
I appreciate coach ski's opinion; however, it is one opinion among many others and the school has to keep focused on what is best for the school and the community.
RamU, I believe you are echoing the same sentiments as tailgator & WWallace. I am by no means a garces supporter but I do agree that the head guy has to have a very good understanding of how to deal with the booster, admin and staff of garces or at least how the interworkings of a parochial/private school.
Enough already!!!!!! Let's compromise; all parents, alumni and fans step aside and let the process run its course; (it's going to anyway) 'just say'in". The players will be fine; what the hell; basketball season isn't even over yet then they'll roll into baseball/track etc. Here's an old school thought: introduce your boys to a local gym somewhere in town, maybe it can work into a father/son bonding opportunity. But most importantly of all; what if Coughlin's son is planning on applying for the vacancy but the school acted too hastily, they'd have never known :cry:????? One last thing then "I AM OUT"; can we please, please, please focus on the Tigers of San Luis Obispo High School before being concerned with winning the Valley Championship? GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: RamU on February 08, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Since 1985 Garces has won 7 Section Championships; has been to the finals 11 times; has played in 16 Valley Semi's; and won league championship in the SSL and SEYL. All of their success can be attributed many different variable. However, one variable that cannot be ignored is that they had GARCES men running the program. From Frosh to the Varsity, the program has coaches who have played for Dave, John F., or John R. I think bringing in someone from the outside is something to consider, but that person would have a lot to learn about the culture and traditions of the school and program. The school needs an on-staff coach to help bridge the gap between the program and the faculty.
I appreciate coach ski's opinion; however, it is one opinion among many others and the school has to keep focused on what is best for the school and the community.
I'm sure glad Golla wasn't an inside hire. Thank God the BHS principal and admin were smart enough not to fall into that trap again. It took Golla about 30 days to figure out the long history at BHS. Just Win Baby!!
I'm glad to see the rams are back on the preseason schedule for 2012. Right before LB Poly.
Actually, I think its the week in between Long Beach Poly and the third game against Crespi(?) In other words, a classic "Trap" game.
The latest word is that this decision may not be made until after April 24, 2012! That is pure insanity! How could it possibly take 90 days to make this decision? There is a clear difference between due diligence and over-thinking an issue. I guess we should all just hope these kids are so self directed and self motivated that they will conduct an off-season workout program on their own and be ready for Spring ball. Oh yeah, and I guess they will all be able to find a suitable facility to conduct this off season work out program, since the school will not allow them to use the weight room without a coach supervising them. I suppose a potentially outgoing assistant coach might be willing to volunteer his time . . . Is the craziness of this situation starting to become more clear now?
I don't want to hear any excuses when the Drillers pound the lambs so I hope this gets straightened out ASAP! :)-
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 09, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
I don't want to hear any excuses when the Drillers pound the lambs so I hope this gets straightened out ASAP! :)-
I wonder what excuses cypress used after the lambs left town?
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 09, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
I don't want to hear any excuses when the Drillers pound the lambs so I hope this gets straightened out ASAP! :)-
I just think Garces v BHS is a great traditional game. It has always been a fan favorite. Every game I attended was an over full house with a lot of buzz. Even back in the late 80's when the Rams were dominant there were trailers with full bars set up at Garces along the street with parties everywhere and since then while the Drillers have been the dominant team it's always fun. No bars set up at BHS but still fun. The Garces fans always show up to BHS sauced and loud. I hope this years game is the same.
And BHS has Monsignor Craig Harrison as an alumni and his favorite saying, " God was a Driller". :u:
Quote from: BHS_Alumni on February 10, 2012, 08:12:20 AM
I just think Garces v BHS is a great traditional game. It has always been a fan favorite. Every game I attended was an over full house with a lot of buzz. Even back in the late 80's when the Rams were dominant there were trailers with full bars set up at Garces along the street with parties everywhere and since then while the Drillers have been the dominant team it's always fun. No bars set up at BHS but still fun. The Garces fans always show up to BHS sauced and loud. I hope this years game is the same.
And BHS has Monsignor Craig Harrison as an alumni and his favorite saying, " God was a Driller". :u:
This match up was always the season opener long ago. The Rams have a chance to make the renewed rivalry a good one. The senior class (2013) has lost 4 games since freshman year. Thats 29- and 4 I don't know what kind of a supporting cast DJ Martin has next year or if he even needs on but if the rams contain him and if the can sneak up on the drillers they should go thur the city compition like a hot knife thru butter. this would make the padre CH happy.
Monsignor Craig is always and will always be a Driller at heart. But he loves Garces too. I bet he either stands in the end zone somewhere in the middle, or rotates from one side to the other next year. If Garces were to beat both BHS and Stockdale in one season, that would be the proverbial David slaying two Goliaths.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 10, 2012, 09:50:56 AM
Monsignor Craig is always and will always be a Driller at heart. But he loves Garces too. I bet he either stands in the end zone somewhere in the middle, or rotates from one side to the other next year. If Garces were to beat both BHS and Stockdale in one season, that would be the proverbial David slaying two Goliaths.
This is high school football, not fantasy island!
Quote from: UnbiasedOne on February 10, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
This is high school football, not fantasy island!
the strength of the bhs squad will depend on how many 19yr old red shirt senior wrestlers the are returning to the football team.....they are tough to beat.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 09, 2012, 01:34:37 PM
I guess we should all just hope these kids are so self directed and self motivated that they will conduct an off-season workout program on their own and be ready for Spring ball.......
They'd sure as hell better be if
you're 2012 expectations include knocking off the Drillers, Mustangs, Warriors, Tigers and win a VC; like you're hoping for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: bchamp on February 10, 2012, 11:22:43 AM
the strength of the bhs squad will depend on how many 19yr old red shirt senior wrestlers the are returning to the football team.....they are tough to beat.
We have a controversy in the South-land, care to elaborate Champ?
Quote from: Coach Hurd on February 10, 2012, 11:31:03 AM
We have a controversy in the South-land, care to elaborate Champ?
wrestlers are the toughest critters on the planet.....they make the best hs football players too.
Thank you.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on February 10, 2012, 11:38:30 AM
Thank you.
There will only be 1 game next year when i don't go for Drillers. SEPT 7th it looks like......where will the game be played.....anybody know????
Quote from: bchamp on February 10, 2012, 11:36:36 AM
wrestlers are the toughest critters on the planet.....they make the best hs football players too.
I agree with that statement 100% :u:
Quote from: bchamp on February 10, 2012, 11:36:36 AM
wrestlers are the toughest critters on the planet.....they make the best hs football players too.
Tough to argue with this one...
Quote from: bchamp on February 10, 2012, 07:46:49 AM
I wonder what excuses cypress used after the lambs left town?
Who care, last time I checked the Drillers had nothing to do with Cypress...and Ski if you think the lambs are going to beat both Stockdale and the Drillers next season I have a beach front property in Oildale really cheap I need to get rid of. :)-
Teddy, I am confident if we get passed this crapola of an off season, the Rams can beat both teams. You have tunnel vision over the great season BHS had last season, and rightfully so. However, Anyone who knows Garces Football will tell that 2011 was supposed to be a down year. Well, look what happened, 11-2 and arguably a PAT from forcing OT in the VC. I coached many of the players on all three teams at one time. All three teams have quality players and good character kids. The Drillers were hungry this year after falling to CW in the 2010 VC. BHS will play the entire season next year aiming for the State game and afraid to lose or even play a close game with any local team. That's a lot of pressure. You keep acting like Garces doesn't even deserve to play BHS or SHS. Why don't you ask Pope or Trueba or DJ Martin if they think it will be a cakewalk against the Rams next year. I usually prefer to let our kids do their talking on the field, but your taunts can no longer go unchallenged. We will see which of these teams is hungriest next year.
Coach, don't play into these guys garbage. I've been watching and listening to the so called expertise and knowledge of these guys, it is unfounded. Anyone can jump on here and talk garbage, coaching the game from a BB is a piece of cake, you coaching from the trenches is the real deal. The coach's on this site, know who we are, we know who's word is from knowledge and sweat and tears actually doing the job. Opinons are great, opinions make this place go round, that only goes so far in the real world of coaching.
I hope the Drillers and 'Stangs aren't reading this BS! Coaching 101: "Don't give your opponent added motivation"; they may try to hang 80 on 'ya :( Ouch!
If they have to read this site to get motivation, they're already behind the 8 ball. These kids all know and have played against each other. They have no need for locker room motivation based on parental, booster, community support. That's my point. The kid on these three teams would prefer to let their play on he field define these games. They don't need us supporters setting the table for them.
Shoot if coach Ski is right, why not move the Rams into the SWYL. I know there are a few SEYL teams that wont complain :D
Ski, I read your comment about the coaching decision taking a while at Garces. Don't feel like it is a problem only at Garces. Administration does not care about, nor do they understand how important the off-season is for football. Unlike all other sports, Football does very little actual Football in the off-season and most non football people (who tend to be administration) don't understand how important the off-season is to success. So for them, it's more important to allow the "process" to work through, than to establish certainty which kids thrive in. Stay strong.... :)
I want a good game next year. That's all. A good friday night football game.
Garces will be ready to play BHS, they always are whether home or away. My hope is BHS is ready to play Garces.
Too much hype leads to too big a head and over confidence.
You are wrong Ski, I don't have tunnel vision. Last season is meaningless as to what will happen next season. I am sure garces has as good a shot at knocking off the Drillers as does every team in the SWYL.
Hurd, guys like you always make me laugh with your holier than thou attitude. You for being a coach who has "been in the trenches" and has put in the sweat and tears are far too thin-skinned.
My point exactly BHS Alumni. I have no doubt however that Golla will have his kids ready and focused. It's gonna be a great game.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 10, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Who care, last time I checked the Drillers had nothing to do with Cypress...and Ski if you think the lambs are going to beat both Stockdale and the Drillers next season I have a beach front property in Oildale really cheap I need to get rid of. :)-
vaunt to vager? if you have oildale beach front property for sale it means someone got you to buy it first.
Sure, I'll wager that the Drillers beat garces...
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 14, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Sure, I'll wager that the Drillers beat garces...
ok....drillers win, i post "get the roughnecks some mint jelly to go with their lamb dinner". Rams win "????????????"
It appears that the process to find a new coach is taking longer than hoped for..... I heard from alumni there is a definite fracture between those that want Maples and those that want "New" coaching. If they are looking to start over with a new head coach they should have started the process last year when they knew John was leaving, and yes they knew John was leaving before the season was over due to his unfortunate medical issue.
They will make the choice in the next couple of weeks. Too short a time to really find a top flight coach by doing a search.
Installing Maples will be a short term fix. Mapes will tell all the parents that complain about their little prodigies not getting to play to get screwed and that will be the end. I love Mapes but that is his demeanor.
I hope for the Garces parents and alumni that really care about the school and their sports programs take back controll and let their coaches coach. While you are at it a new AD wouldn't hurt. Football is your biggest money maker. Have an AD that at least supports the football program.
Good Luck. See you in the Fall for a great football game.
Amen, let the coaches coach. Let the admin do whatever it is that they do. Im not sure why Maples is considered a short term fix. He is only in his early 50s, is in much better health, and has renewed vigor for the program. As for the AD, I don't think that she fails to support the football program. I just think football politics are foreign to her and she lacks the ability to stand up for the coach when questioned or challenged. I doubt the Powers really want a strong willed AD.
Ski, put your emotions aside for a moment. I think WWallace said it if the next HC is not on site it is not in the best interest of the program. Personally I don't care who they hire, they guy can be the manager of the Denny's for all I care I wouldn't root for garces if Coach Landry was coaching them.
Quote from: CoachSki on February 16, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
Amen, let the coaches coach. Let the admin do whatever it is that they do. Im not sure why Maples is considered a short term fix. He is only in his early 50s, is in much better health, and has renewed vigor for the program. As for the AD, I don't think that she fails to support the football program. I just think football politics are foreign to her and she lacks the ability to stand up for the coach when questioned or challenged. I doubt the Powers really want a strong willed AD.
And that is a big problem with Garces. They have to appease to those that line the pockets. The squeakier the wheel, the greater the grease!
I doubt that the new head coach will be in place in the next two weeks, BHS alumni. The job posting on the Garces web site says it is open until March 30, so 6 more weeks of guessing before the application deadline even gets here.
Quote from: valleyfbfan on February 16, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
I doubt that the new head coach will be in place in the next two weeks, BHS alumni. The job posting on the Garces web site says it is open until March 30, so 6 more weeks of guessing before the application deadline even gets here.
I heard they were going to make the decision sooner. If that's the case Maples probably has it in the bag. No way to get quality outside coaches in to interview that quickly.
I hope for the best for the kids and Maples. We will see how it pans out this fall.
What other coaches are interested in the job? Will they stay in town or hire from outside?
I have only heard one other name mentioned, and I am aware of another who may apply. I am sure they received lots of inquiries, but not sure who else officially applied.
I was just talking to Coach Maples and he told me that they are going to decide the new HC by April 22nd, his interview is on the 21st. I was shocked, to say the least. To me it shows how out of touch with athletics the Admin is, they must be communicating using the pony express or carrier pigeon because nothing takes that long.
Quote from: Forceuser on February 17, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
I was just talking to Coach Maples and he told me that they are going to decide the new HC by April 22nd, his interview is on the 21st. I was shocked, to say the least. To me it shows how out of touch with athletics the Admin is, they must be communicating using the pony express or carrier pigeon because nothing takes that long.
Obviously, you have never tried to get something approved by the Pope.
Quote from: izne1home on February 17, 2012, 10:40:34 AM
Obviously, you have never tried to get something approved by the Pope.
The Pope is nothing compared to getting approval from the "Names" at Garces. Nothing happens on that campus unless they approve. It's all about the ego's and $$$. Too bad. You can read into the late April decision as a vote of no confidence for Maples. It's all bull. Trying to save face that the did this big search. They don't pay and the benefits are nonexistent. What decent young up and coming coach would put up with that and the constant scrutiny from non-football people. Maybe Garces wants to stay a small school?
Hey, you can be on the water polo team.
Quote from: izne1home on February 17, 2012, 10:40:34 AM
Obviously, you have never tried to get something approved by the Pope.
Only the CW Boosters have the Popes direct line last I heard...
If it's money they listen to, I guess they will have a shock coming to them when they see that the turn out for this years Gala is weak. I for one won't be attending and will encourage other parents of the same mindset to boycott the event. It's time to start pushing back!
Really "Coach Ski"; is this SAVE DAVE II???????????????????????????????????? Now you're advising GARCES supporters to boycott the Gala if they have the same mindset as you......... WOW; sounds like you're a real RAM supporter :nono What program do you actually support and coach???????????? STOP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry Tailgator. Is it your opinion that we all have to just sit back, drink the Koolaid and swear allegiance to the admin? Not in my world. I can only speak for myself, but I know there are other parents and supporters who share my opinion. If we all feel the same way, then I am not really influencing their decision am I? The point of my post was that if the only thing the admin will listen to is money, then the Gala may be the only way to get their attention. Letters, calls and emails sure haven't worked so far. As for your suggestion to just give up, those words are not in my lexicon. I will never give up or stop fighting for what I think is right, especially if I think it will benefit these kids. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. If you'd like to engage in a freindly debate, that's what this forum is for.
"Lexicon", :u: Ski I didn't knowed you talked so fancy!
Coach Ski; Absolutely intended as friendly banter! I'm just not clear as to what program you support, what team you coach and what you " will never give up or stop fighting for what I think is right " is all about. A few thoughts; first, rallying parents and supporters to boycott the Gala would have a negative impact on many more programs other than your son's football team and it will have less than zero impact on what HC is selected. Second, if you are a parent, supporter or coach at Garces you may not choose to "swear allegiance" to the admin; but you are involved somehow in their institution so perhaps demonstrating some degree of respect for the authority, not to mention decades of tradition, would set a nice example for "those boys". If you and others so despise the admin., and the way they choose to handle their business (it is their school by the way) surely there are alternatives available out there; EBHS, HHS, Centennial, BHS just to mention a few. Lastly; taking on tactics of threatening the institution/admin. until you and your contingents get their way is the kind of thing that the Garces supporters get ribbed about throughout the community, that spoiled parent/supporter pounding their fists and jumping up and down until they get their way sort of thing. Whatever decision is made up on the hill, trust me, your son and your season will be fine. Jump on the support bus we have plenty of room and would love to have you on-board! GO RAMS!
Word on the street, is there were so many calls about this time table that they moved the date up to march 15th......
If Garces admin only listened to the money, they would not have hired Denny Barrett as their baseball coach a few years back only to wind up with egg on their face as a result. I have dealt with Garces in the past and they do whatever they want.
They have moved the application deadline date up three weeks to March 10 from March 30. Looks like somebody told the admin they were out of touch with what needed to be done.
If Maples gets the job, well he continue to teach in the KHSD? Garces would be a major pay cut and hit to his retirement.
QuoteThey have moved the application deadline date up three weeks to March 10 from March 30. Looks like somebody told the admin they were out of touch with what needed to be done.
If Maples gets the job, well he continue to teach in the KHSD? Garces would be a major pay cut and hit to his retirement.
I understand the protocol with all this hiring stuff. Maples has been the leading candidate for a few weeks now. If they wait till April 22 to give the job to Maples, won't we all be saying what took so long? Isn't it starting to sound inevitable that the job is his to lose? Maples could be doing things, getting his team ready now and getting work done and as a result everyone plays the waiting game. Will this effect the team?
Hawk, you nailed it. Could not have said it better myself. This is not the way to start a new regime for this program. If he was your hire all along (as he should be), then make the announcement and be done with it. Fortunately, Coach Maples is such an honorable guy that I know he will not let it affect him.
Tailgator, I have pondered for hours about how to respond to your post. You truly seem to be an avid supporter of Garces in all respects--school, administration and kids. Therefore, I respect your opinion. I guess we just have different backgrounds and upbringing when it comes to the proper degree of respect to show to authority. I was taught and have lived by the credo that one should respect authority, but always question the arbitrary exercise of it. Questioning the decisions of the admin is not a sign of disrespect. No one in my view is above reproach. The admin may have very good reasons for deciding to open the coaching search when the clear choice is already on staff--I just don't know what those reasons may be. I have read all sorts of suggestions and innuendo from different contributors on this site as to why Garces might look in a different direction. However, not one of those suggestions justifies this nonsense or outweighs the positives that I feel Coach Maples brings to the table. As to your questioning my allegiance to the school, again, you seem to suggest that only blind acceptance of the school's decision is allowed or appropriate. I do not despise or dislike anyone in the administration--I just don't agree with this decision. Even the most intelligent and well intentioned people make mistakes now and then. When they do, they need to be called on it. Unlike you apparently, I do not view debate or the questioning of authority as a sign of disrespect or lack of support. As for my mentioning the Gala, please go back and read my post and the context in which it was mentioned. My point was that, if money is all the admin will listen to (which was never my suggestion), then the Gala would be the only way (short of transfer) to get their attention. Yet, you suggest that, if I don't like the decisions of this admin, I should transfer my son to East, Highland, or Centennial. Wow, really? I guess that wouldn't be hurting the school right? (I pay two tuition payments by the way--one for my son, and another for his best friend whom my wife and I are helping sponsor.) Finally, to dispel this question of the selfish motives of us parents, is it selfish to want the best environment for one's son to succeed? If it is, then I am guilty as charged. My son has played essentially two years of V football and has been inches from a VC. That is an experience every kid in HS should be honored and privileged to play for. His senior class has a great chance to close the deal next season. I don't think it is selfish or short sighted to believe that a VC is a great boost for the future and longevity of this program. You make reference to the great winning tradition of Garces football, and you definitely see the pride in that tradition at homecoming and during playoffs, when the alumni fill the stadium. All I want is a chance for my son, his team mates, and another generation of Garces players to be able to be part of that winning legacy. So, move over on the band-wagon, I am not going anywhere no matter who coaches this team in the future.
Coach Ski: Thank you for contemplating my post, most don't pay any attention to my babble. I'm almost with you but I'm still a bit confused, I think you posted the following: "If it's money they listen to, I guess they will have a shock coming to them when they see that the turn out for this years Gala is weak. I for one won't be attending and will encourage other parents of the same mindset to boycott the event. It's time to start pushing back!" Then you posted: "My point was that, if money is all the admin will listen to (which was never my suggestion), then the Gala would be the only way (short of transfer) to get their attention". I still don't know what team you coach, I'll assume you're on the Garces varsity staff. I agree that Maples would be a good choice but you seem to be most annoyed that you pay tuition(s) without a seat at the table as to how the school runs its programs. You reference the "clear choice", this is your opinion and perhaps that of others, but the school hasn't announced that your "clear choice" won't be selected; they're simply conducting interviews to touch all their bases, (sorry for the BB metaphor); but the admin's strategy may be in your son's best interest, why so sensitive? I believe that your'e a stanch supporter :u:, we just don't want you to "boycott" the season in the unlikely event that things don't work out to your 100% satisfaction. Let's play ball; GO RAMS!
Ski you and tailgator seem to be in touch with the garces program, who are some of the guys other than maples?
Let me try to clear up any confusion. I DO NOT coach at Garces, but I am close to many of the coaches. I am just a lowly Youth coach, but have had the pleasure of coaching a few of the Garces players over the years. You are right about it being my opinion that Maples is the clear choice--I truly believe that. Could it be possible that the admin has received many different applications for the position from some quality candidates, sure. My sensitivity stems from the fact that, sometimes, although no harm is intended, a lot of harm can result from the coaching search process. The mere anxiety created over the search can cause rights between coaches, teachers, admin and students, where none existed before. We went through this process tree years ago, remember, and there was a lot of damage done as a result of Fannuci's firing. They made a great choice with Roberts and it worked out very well for the program. Unlike the situation three years ago, which was a change of direction the school thought necessary, there is no need to conduct a coaching search this time--IMO. If you are happy with the direction of the program under Roberts, which was due in large part to Maples, then the choice is simple. If they are not happy with the direction of the program, I would certainly like to know why. IMO, even if you think someone else may be able to do a better job, you still stick with a proven winner over a potential winner. Again, this is all my opinion and it reflects how I feel about coaches in general and Maples personally. But, I am a passionate guy and I tend to react passionately on those issues near and dear to my heart--like Garces Football.
Ski, why do you believe harm can come from searching for a coach? Do you think that the guy who believes he should be "handed" the post is the one hurt because it wasn't just given to him? I would think that you as a coach would welcome the competition.
Coach Ski: Now I get it and I'm on the same page as you; sorry for making the assumption that you coached at Garces. There's no such animal as a "lowly" youth football coach; that's where it all begins. Quality adults that selflessly volunteer their time to mold our youths during their most formidable years are only to be placed on the highest pedestal, hardly "lowly" (IMO). I'll offer but one difference of opinion with you, the hiring of Roberts among all the viable candidates at the time is the root cause of the problem that's launched Garces into this unfortunate predicament. I'm sure the admin., hadn't planned on going through this painstakingly difficult process within two short years after they chose their new HC to lead the program into the future. If Roberts' health was forced him to step down; then, I'm really suspicious that he may have been aware of the potential problems two years ago when he accepted the job but chose not to inform the decision makers. Character is reserved for each to assess based on your own belief system. Nonetheless; the administration is faced with the daunting task of doing it all over again. Were mistakes made two years ago; undoubtedly, do they want to learn from them, I hope so. Should they rush into a decision; I believe they did so two years ago and it backfired; should Maples be the HC, maybe; are the young men losing valuable time without a HC in place, hell no (IMO), I've spoken with a few coaches of other local HS football programs with HC's in place, they tell me that they're lucky to get 60% turn out for morning/afternoon workouts . I'm with you Ski; it's just that I'd hate to see mistakes made again by rushing into a decisions in an effort to facilitate February workout sessions. I realize you're thinking way beyond February but this time around the hire needs to stick. GO RAMS!
The problem with starting a new coach search is that you have to destroy a working model for a valley championship to do it. (Maples, DT, Ship)
I firmly believe that at seasons end there was no intention of replacing maples. Q: So what happened? A: they needed the slot for a "NAME". Thats speculation on my part but it is an educated guess based in history.
Some say there is no harm in searching for a new head coach but I say there is in this case. Is there no intrinsic value in loyalty.? In 2010 maples saw the rising problem with the head coaching position and quietly, without fan fare or title, stepped in and made it work for the school. It was a classy thing to do. No good deed goes un punished at GMHS.
The "NAME" will get the job. Thats why they could move the selection date up......the fix is already in. The "NAME" will be and is a very good coach, but will not have the varsity record maples has provided and Garces runs the risk of destroying the working Valley-champ model. The JR class of boys this year has lost 4 games in 3 years. They are chomping and they know winning.
I'm with ski on this issue. You cant just stand idly buy and say nothing when injustice occurs. So many garces alum go along to get along. Behold the ostrich, he put his head in the sand but his rear end is sticking way out.
I dont know maples well. I haven't had more than 10 min of conversation with him in my life but I know the stink of disloyalty.
There is a need for more RAM and less ewe at the big G. Maples has a 3 curl horn set on him, ,,,,, but unfortunately it looks like it going on the wall.
No GALA for me!
boobooazul: Well said; you make several very valid points, I just don't understand why conducting an interview process is in any way a detriment to Coach Maples'. As TeddyKGB referenced earlier, I would suspect that Coach Maples welcomes the opportunity to interview versus the job just be handed to him; or gosh forbid, anyone else for that matter! He's a component of that VC-model you reference; plus two years experience at the school, what's to be concerned about? GO RAMS!
Quote from: tailgator on February 21, 2012, 04:59:59 PM
boobooazul: Well said; you make several very valid points, I just don't understand why conducting an interview process is in any way a detriment to Coach Maples'. As TeddyKGB referenced earlier, I would suspect that Coach Maples welcomes the opportunity to interview versus the job just be handed to him; or gosh forbid, anyone else for that matter! He's a component of that VC-model you reference; plus two years experience at the school, what's to be concerned about? GO RAMS!
My point is that the interview process will just give the opportunity for more blah...blah...blah x 100 answers form ewes. i've been through it with them....they just don't care how lame and intellectually vacant their answers are. As to the interview process not being a detriment to maples....no,not a detriment, just a slap in the face. As i said before he pulled gmhs bacon out of the fire by stepping up when he had to.....there was no talk of interview then was there, no salary adjustment, no change in title, and as usual.....0% gratitude,,,, because there was character involved...no exchange of money. The money talks. "don't forget you are in the holy presence of the lord". read the scrolling marque if you want to laugh. If this is the year of integrity my a#$ is a rose bud!
OK, I'll go with your thought process; I think? One question for you; should a player inherent his job simply because he is a returner or should it be open to competition and earn his position? Should it be a different standard for a coach, an AD, a principal, a dean of students or anyone else trying to earn a position out in the real world? I hope there are no double standards at Garces; by the way I recall that Coach Maples was given the title of assistant head coach by the former head coach, clearly a promotion from his role in 2010. Enough of the "Ewes" metaphor, we get it; Jump on board, we want you to! GO RAMS!
is dj martin the starting running back at stockdale? Based on past preformance....yes. will kione taylors be a starter next year on the first day of practice.....yes. Did Arron Rodgers go to bed last night wondering if Peyton was heading to green bay?......no, he slept well knowing he did a good job for his team.
maples is 21-4.... do you bench him?
Based on my experience (CW 2007) you are right to be concerned. You should not initiate an interview process unless you are committed to hiring an outside coach. Going through the exercise for the sake of the exercise, is not always wise. It's not fair to the coaches and it can impact support.
I'm not sure who is making this decision (administration, donors, etc) but they shouldn't do it in a vacuum. History has a way of repeating itself. It cost CUSD a cool $600,000.
maples is not 21-4...the kids & the entire team was 21-4.
I don't want to give the impression that all is negative at the BIG G. There are some real shinning stars in the mix.
Next time you are watching a garces football game just watch the AD on the side line. You can't fake that kind of spirt. If i jumped up and down like that, if I ran up and down the sideline as much as she does i would have to be taken out on a strecher after the game. Cheers to LS
John L. and Vince bill out at about $.30/hour with the time and dedication they put into that school. They will never be duplicated and they have my gratitude.
Lou Ann, Micah have brought a new level to the school. They bring the people to the yard! They turned a disinterested student body into a thriving force to be reckoned with.
DT H. Ship, These are two guys I would like to see for the next 20 years. They LOVE what the do and it shows.
these are just a few that have me saying GO RAMS.......I have forgotten some i'm sure so lets have somebody else fill in the blanks....sound off out there in the Ram world.
accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 22, 2012, 08:18:01 AM
maples is not 21-4...the kids & the entire team was 21-4.
ok smart guy. What is maples record?
I'll say this one more time...I think the mind set of hire Maples because he's shown commitment or has been part of a program that went 21-4 still must be weighed against the possibility of hiring an on campus coach. IMO a qualified on campus coach is FAR better for the program than a walk-on coach. I know this idea is hard for those of you who want a seamless transition and who wants to keep a familiar system, but you still can't convince me that the on-campus situation is not best for the long term. Also, I agree that there is much more to coaching at a school like garces, but I'm not convinced that Maples truly understands that completely. It's just not that easy for a tiger to change his stripes.
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 08:49:41 AM
ok smart guy. What is maples record?
Just like I said the team was 21-4 not maples. Or can't ewe read? WWallace also states he was part of a program that went 21-4. Those kids would have been pretty good, 21-4 I don't know no one does but it was ALL maples doing.
wwallace,
You are correct in all you say but would you step down in coach quality to achieve an on campus coach. If so, how much? That will be the devil in the details for this decision.
On campus coach, as good or better, would obviously be better for all concerned save maples. He loses out and i think the lack of loyalty to one who has served hurts the school.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 22, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Just like I said the team was 21-4 not maples. Or can't ewe read? WWallace also states he was part of a program that went 21-4. Those kids would have been pretty good, 21-4 I don't know no one does but it was ALL maples doing.
KGB....when was the last time they fired the kids for losing? From 1953 to 1985 "the kids" at BHS went 210-99-15 it was coincidental that Paul Briggs was there for that same exact time frame. Crazy huh!
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
KGB....when was the last time they fired the kids for losing? From 1953 to 1985 "the kids" at BHS went 210-99-15 it was coincidental that Paul Briggs was there for that same exact time frame. Crazy huh!
dude you cant compare 1953-1985 to 2012 for a couple of different reasons. But let's entertain your line of thinking for a moment, what was maples record at east? Start to finish, I'm willing to bet it wasn't much over .500 and I know it wasnt close to .875. regardless, that maple's history was not my point, my point was that the kids had a whole heck of a lot to do with the 21 wins. And kids do get fired, they get benched and replaced.
Quote from: izne1home on February 22, 2012, 07:58:14 AM
Based on my experience (CW 2007) you are right to be concerned. You should not initiate an interview process unless you are committed to hiring an outside coach. Going through the exercise for the sake of the exercise, is not always wise. It's not fair to the coaches and it can impact support.
I'm not sure who is making this decision (administration, donors, etc) but they shouldn't do it in a vacuum. History has a way of repeating itself. It cost CUSD a cool $600,000.
Huh??? I'm lost. I don't remember posting anything on here.
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on February 22, 2012, 10:18:57 AM
Huh??? I'm lost. I don't remember posting anything on here.
I dont think he was talking to you, I think he was refering actually to Clovis West in 2007. :D
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 22, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
dude you cant compare 1953-1985 to 2012 for a couple of different reasons. But let's entertain your line of thinking for a moment, what was maples record at east? Start to finish, I'm willing to bet it wasn't much over .500 and I know it wasnt close to .875. regardless, that maple's history was not my point, my point was that the kids had a whole heck of a lot to do with the 21 wins. And kids do get fired, they get benched and replaced.
I am entertained by watching you argue with yourself. Watch that fence post as you jump from one side to the other.
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 10:29:15 AM
I am entertained by watching you argue with yourself. Watch that fence post as you jump from one side to the other.
Simple minds are easily amused.
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 10:29:15 AM
I am entertained by watching you argue with yourself. Watch that fence post as you jump from one side to the other.
:u:
We have found Teddy very entertaining for years now. He has his own Silver spoon to stir the pot.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 22, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
dude you cant compare 1953-1985 to 2012 for a couple of different reasons. But let's entertain your line of thinking for a moment, what was maples record at east? Start to finish, I'm willing to bet it wasn't much over .500 and I know it wasnt close to .875. regardless, that maple's history was not my point, my point was that the kids had a whole heck of a lot to do with the 21 wins. And kids do get fired, they get benched and replaced.
kgb fyi
In the immortal word of sgt Friday....just the facts mam. maples 7 year record at east is 41w - 37 L . You gotta admit thats getting a lot out of the east kids.
they have gone 11-29 since. Inconvenient truth.
and since then (11-29) how many D1 kids have been at east, how many have gone on to play college ball? the team that won the VC had a OL/DL that was 6'8" and got a scholly to a UW...and a RB that started at BC, point is the talent pool at east has been on a down swing in the cycle. But hey if a guy can coach a kid to be 6'8" I'd hire him.
Quote from: Coach Hurd on February 22, 2012, 10:41:34 AM
:u:
We have found Teddy very entertaining for years now. He has his own Silver spoon to stir the pot.
its like arguing with an opossum
Quote from: TeddyKGB on February 22, 2012, 10:53:43 AM
and since then (11-29) how many D1 kids have been at east, how many have gone on to play college ball? the team that won the VC had a OL/DL that was 6'8" and got a scholly to a UW...and a RB that started at BC, point is the talent pool at east has been on a down swing in the cycle. But hey if a guy can coach a kid to be 6'8" I'd hire him.
Scritchfield, Shive and Nichols D-1 guys in 77 I don't recall east being very good as a team. furthermore.... How many D-1 's off the BHS team this year?
I want to make this simple for ewe to read. Money is a measure of success in business, win loss record is a measure of success in coaching. You can't apply it selectively to Briggs and not maples.
Maples record at east is probably more impressive than the w/l's at garces. (in a relative sense)
I believe BHS had 1, the kid going to Cornell, but they also had 7 ( I believe) sophomore that start.
I never said anything about Briggs you did, you brought up that he was there for 32 years, I said it was different then than now. Back then guys coached for 3 maybe 4 months out of the year it was not year round. Second back then admin didn't fire coaches, take a look at the schools at coach from back then: Foothill-Permenter, Chamberline at Arvin, Eliads (spelling) at North...just to name a few those guys were all 20+ years and they didn't didn't get fire they retired, back then coaches didn't get fired or asked to resign like they do now.
I would be inclined to agree with you that maples record at east may be more impressive because of situation being different at east, but you said that maples was 21-4 at garces which is what set this thread in this direction and I pointed out that it wasn't just maples responsible for the 21 wins...now that I think about it doesn't matter who coaches at garces they will still get beat by the Drillers and at best will be the 2nd best team in Bakersfield! IN fact I have already devoted way too much time to a garces discussion, I'm done here because I don't really care what happens to or at garces.
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 07:34:25 AM
is dj martin the starting running back at stockdale? Based on past preformance....yes. will kione taylors be a starter next year on the first day of practice.....yes. Did Arron Rodgers go to bed last night wondering if Peyton was heading to green bay?......no, he slept well knowing he did a good job for his team.
maples is 21-4.... do you bench him?
I knew this was coming :sleep: It's apparent that I'm missing something in the translation. Perhaps I have no point but what I'm trying to relate is that no one (with the possible exception of 1 or 2) has suggested; benching, replacing or demoting Coach Maples or anyone else for that matter. Garces has simply decided to engage the interview process to fill a recently vacated position which I imagine Coach Maples will be offered a seat at the table, (if he wants it). As for the players you reference being penciled in as starters at the beginning of the season, of course they will, but is it your contention that no others have a chance to challenge for that spot regardless of how hard they trained during the off season; or, in the event of a possible transfer showing up, man 'o man this is NOT the message we want to deliver to our seconds and thirds. I'll try to contain my thoughts to the Garces program but your notion of baring anyone else from challenging for positions or applying for jobs compromises our entire philosophy of democracy of which is really starting to annoy me! Tell me; did Notre Dame, SC, Arizona, Fresno St., Stanford, BHS, Garces (the last time around), just to mention a few, simply hand the HC job over to an incumbent; or, did they perform their due diligence and conduct what fears YOU the most; OMG, NOT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS :shock: By the way; Coach Maples, Roberts or any others up there were NOT solely responsible for the 21 wins nor the 4 losses! 21 wins; terrific in a watered down SEYL (you must have really enjoyed the 80 point effort at EBHS); what about the games that mattered most; 2 straight losses to their section divisional rival SJM, a semi-final loss to the 7th seeded Tehachapi Warriors and the VC loss to a lower seeded CN team? True supporters can deal with that it's just part of the game, but are you implying that those losses were all Coach Maples fault, or is he only credited with the 21 wins; or, what the hell are you trying to say? Give it a rest; Coach Maples, D.T., Shipp, Gonzo, Eric and Fred do not need you to buffer them from the administration! Coach Maples is experienced enough and confident with his accomplishments, I'm sure he welcomes the opportunity to interview. as he should. GO RAMS!
Quote from: tailgator on February 22, 2012, 12:28:43 PM
Nice PATRICK HENERY speech tailgator. (give me liberty or give me death). Your use of the word democracy where Garces is concerned is a joke. If it were a democracy none of this DRAMA would have been necessary.
Now would you please tell me who is on this coach search committee and why you are so willing to blindly trust their decisions.
Now go to the dispensary and pick up you green koolaid and medication.
Capitalize the "G" when you refer to Garces (it's that respect thing again); the DRAMA you refer to is actually your PARANOIA; The identity of the selection committee members are none of my concern and whether you like it or not; they're not influenced by your negativity; as for the rest of it, keep jumping up and down and pounding your fist, better yet just take your ball and go home until you get your way; or not. GO RAMS!
Quote from: boobooazul on February 22, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
why you are so willing to blindly trust their decisions.
Unlike at a public school, private school parents have the choice as to where they take their kids, unless it's BHS then they have that option still (haha sorry had to put that dig in). So for you to write that statement means that you don't understand that, yes you do trust their decisions. Why? Because you trust them to educate your child and to run the school in a fashion that is professional and one (being at a religious school) that follows the Catholic faith. If you don't like it, you have the freedom to go to a different school. End of story.
I fixed the G thing at your request. I cant fix apathy .
I bet whoever the coach is, he's just thrilled with you guys dragging this on like it's some dog and pony show. :d:
Hey, any good rumors on who is going to get the head coaching job at Garces?
Quote from: mw1 on February 22, 2012, 02:59:21 PM
Hey, any good rumors on who is going to get the head coaching job at Garces?
now thats humor!
anything new here?
Nothing, except hope, prayers and stifled dismay. Did anyone else notice the end of the application deadline now coincides with the Casual Gala?
Quote from: CoachSki on March 02, 2012, 11:35:10 PM
Nothing, except hope, prayers and stifled dismay. Did anyone else notice the end of the application deadline now coincides with the Casual Gala?
I hope they have a coach worth truly announcing at the Gala. Why casual Gala? You would thing the "smart" Garces admin, which there are none, would hold the announcement at the formal Gala to get the lambs lined up for donations. I bet you thought I was going to use the "slaughter" route. Sorry. It's been enough of a drama already.
Maybe they want the donations before they make the announcement.
I don't think thet're going to be making any announcements this weekend - the dead line to submit an application is this Saturday
Well, I heard nothing is going to happen until the end of March - so, don't look for any announcement any time soon. Does anybody know what kind of a coach the J.V. hc was?
I really wish that they'd hurry and name a HC, I don't want the delay to be an excuse when the Drillers slaughter the lambs. :)-
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 06, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
I really wish that they'd hurry and name a HC, I don't want the delay to be an excuse when the Drillers slaughter the lambs. :)-
Now Teddy we are in the Lenten season. By kind to your neighbors and baaaaaakoff. :D
let teddy roll.....the crow will be tougher to swallow in sept 2012
You're right Alumni, it's bad enough they have to eat fish every Friday.
Dlion, at least you see the glass half full.
Jim Maples would do a great job. That being said....its gonna go to a Garces guy....bet he happens to be Catholic..
There are only three names in the hat.. should be a quick interview process. I guess they still more time to put together an "offer he can't refuse" to get Golla away from BHS??? That would make things interesting.
mw1, garces is gonna get all the Golla and the Drillers they can handle come Sept...and all its going to cost is a bus trip over to Griffith.
KGB, I noticed that you capitalized "Golla", "Drillers", "Sept.", and "Griffith", but not "garces". You must really not like GMHS. Why all of the hate?
HAHA...that's very perceptive of you to notice that, I do not consider garces a proper noun. I have gone over this before, I grew up with garces as a bitter rival the hatered runs deep...like the Hatfields and McCoys.
Teddy is an equal opportunity hater........he hates everyone......it makes him really consistant....hahah :D
I don't hate everyone...there's some I despise, annoyed by most and like a few...But I do Hate garces.
ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Teddy, tell us about your childhood.....
HAHAHAHA...it's too bad there is no icon for the middle finger
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 07, 2012, 11:29:39 AM
HAHAHAHA...it's too bad there is no icon for the middle finger
There is......but it's hidden..... ;)
Sounds like someone got shot down in the interview process for admission.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 07, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
I don't hate everyone...there's some I despise, annoyed by most and like a few...But I do Hate garces.
Teddy KB's " Hate List "
Hate : Garces/ C-Dub / Clovis
Dispise : All other CUSD teams / Bullard
Annoyed: All other teams that are not the Drillers
:D
Bronco you are wrong, if you mean CW by C-Dub you are wrong.
I like CW, unless they play the Drillers...then I root against them. I have made this clear before they are the only team North of Hwy 178 that I like.
I don't hate Clovis, why would the Drillers beat them.
Hating Bullard would be like a Alabama fan hating Tulane.
I don't despise all CUSD teams. Why would I, oNe of the teams, I woN't meNtion by Name, has so much respect for the Drillers they refuse to play. :)-
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 08, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
Bronco you are wrong, if you mean CW by C-Dub you are wrong.
I like CW, unless they play the Drillers...then I root against them. I have made this clear before they are the only team North of Hwy 178 that I like.
I don't hate Clovis, why would the Drillers beat them.
Hating Bullard would be like a Alabama fan hating Tulane.
I don't despise all CUSD teams. Why would I, oNe of the teams, I woN't meNtion by Name, has so much respect for the Drillers they refuse to play. :)-
And all this time I thought you were a Redskin!! DAMN!!! ;)
I think Teddy is the new Mr. K-Town... :cry:
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 08, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
Bronco you are wrong, if you mean CW by C-Dub you are wrong.
I like CW, unless they play the Drillers...then I root against them. I have made this clear before they are the only team North of Hwy 178 that I like.
I don't hate Clovis, why would the Drillers beat them.
Hating Bullard would be like a Alabama fan hating Tulane.
I don't despise all CUSD teams. Why would I, oNe of the teams, I woN't meNtion by Name, has so much respect for the Drillers they refuse to play. :)-
Teddy, don't worry. Discussions with a SS team has resurfaced for 0 week. May have two games at the beach in preseason.
On the Crespi invitational front looks the Drillers will be playing Cactus out of Tucson. Crespi didn't want to play the Drillers in their own tourney. Probably a good decision on their part.
Buchannan is a go. Too bad CN's coach couldn't sack up.
Trying to schedule quality opponents from the SS will continue to be a problem for CS teams. If you are ranked below them they won't play you, but if you are ranked ahead of them they will schedule you in a heartbeat. Ala Long Beach Poly this year.
I heard last night that Van Horne had applied anybody else here that??
I heard he was cited on campus weeks ago. This may be the genesis of the rumor, but who knows. Can't imagine that RVH would stand much of a chance since they passed him up three years ago.
Quote from: mw1 on March 07, 2012, 07:56:33 AM
There are only three names in the hat.. should be a quick interview process. I guess they still more time to put together an "offer he can't refuse" to get Golla away from BHS??? That would make things interesting.
Really? What 3 names are, "in the hat"?
Quote from: Irisheyes on March 09, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
I heard last night that Van Horne had applied anybody else here that??
I doubt that very much. Coach Van Horn missed a game and week of practice last year as East's O-coordinator to go back and see his son play at Middle Tennesse State. I don't think Coach Van Horn wants to be a head coach until his son is done playing college ball. But then again, I might be wrong.....or not!!!
Quote from: mw1 on March 06, 2012, 07:49:40 AM
Well, I heard nothing is going to happen until the end of March - so, don't look for any announcement any time soon. Does anybody know what kind of a coach the J.V. hc was?
Crosby, the JV HC, is a great young coach. Is a great offensive guy and did a heck of a job with Pavletich at QB. Great with the kids, great with the parents, and great with the administration. Garces would be very wise to go in this direction.
Any idea on how many applications? I heard at lunch today that there may only be two, Maples and Crosby? I can't believe this job wouldn't attract more applicants. Well the clock is ticking, we should all find out in the next two weeks.
Quote from: PigIron on March 09, 2012, 07:26:50 PM
Really? What 3 names are, "in the hat"?
I heard ("heard" meaning second or third-hand) that it was JM, the JV HC, and another guy who has coached there before. The deadline just ended, so maybe someone else has applied since then.
Just to clarify, it is my understanding that Crosby applied for the position to get the experience of the interview. He is not being disloyal, in case anyone was wondering. I have heard a total of six names mentioned for the position--three names by rumor and hearsay. Only Maples has given me what I would consider to be his consent to report his name. Crosby confirmed the rumor to some of the players, but not to me directly. I have also learned that two asst. coaches from the Clovis North staff may have applied, but only one has confirmed it to me. I heard early on in the process that Steve Antongiovanni applied, but he later backed out after he learned there was no teaching position available at the school. The most recent rumor was relayed to me at one of my favorite local dining spots over dinner. My source was another parent who has close ties to the administration, and she told me of a rumor about a former Garces Alum who coaches out of state on the college level who wants to return to Bakersfield. I was not given a name--only his bio. That's all the info I have on the subject, and I would not call any of it "firm" beyond Coach Maples. Of course, that's good news to me, since he is my No. 1 choice anyway.
Ski, What would be disloyal about Crosby applying? Also, I believe it was "TIM" Antongiovanni who was planning to apply. Any word on who the alum is? I can't imagine Garces getting two many serious applicants with no teaching job available. Tim Anton would be a good hire and its unfortunate they dont have a job available. Any CN coach would be a good hire as I thought they were one of the best coached teams in the Valley and it showed against Garces in the valley game. Now the application process is done, any word on when the interviews will start and they can get this thing settled?
You're right, it is Tim Anton, my bad. No idea on when interviews are scheduled. I agree the lack of a teaching position hinders the whole process. When I first heard of the alleged Alum, I immediately though about Greg Robinson. He's the only one likely wealthy enough to coach without a teaching paycheck. As for Crosby's application, I just wanted to clarify that he would never want to circumvent the de facto coach's chances of getting the job. Jeff is a great guy and would never do that. As far as I know, he supports Maples and plans to be on staff if he gets hired. I know some people were confused about his application.
I don't think there is a "De Facto coach" if they are having an open application process. . I doubt Crosby would go through the process of getting letters of recommendation just for a test run. Although, if Mapes is as good as coach as you think he is, he shouldn't have anything to worry about. Should be an interesting next few weeks.
Quote from: BakoFan06 on March 12, 2012, 09:31:32 PM
Although, if Mapes is as good as coach as you think he is, he shouldn't have anything to worry about.
That's what I said a while back, if you are truly a competitor you have no problem with the process.
#1 - If Greg Robinson is the guy who applied, that would be huge news; however, I think he just took a job with the Rams - so, I don't think he is the guy.
#2 - The idea that a JV coach would be thought of as "disloyal" for aspiring to be the varsity coach in an open-interview process.... c'mon now.
Man, the next two weeks are going to be very interesting.......
Quote from: mw1 on March 13, 2012, 09:22:51 AM
#1 - If Greg Robinson is the guy who applied, that would be huge news; however, I think he just took a job with the Rams - so, I don't think he is the guy.
#2 - The idea that a JV coach would be thought of as "disloyal" for aspiring to be the varsity coach in an open-interview process.... c'mon now.
Man, the next two weeks are going to be very interesting.......
Like Teddy posted. The process should not be a problem.
I have a weird feeling that if the "powers that be" at Garces don't like the applicants they have received that they might just ask the legendary John L. Fanucchi to come out of retirement and lead a new generation of Rams on the field.
Quote from: Vic Mackey on March 13, 2012, 09:05:28 PM
I have a weird feeling that if the "powers that be" at Garces don't like the applicants they have received that they might just ask the legendary John L. Fanucchi to come out of retirement and lead a new generation of Rams on the field.
I love John L. but the new "Names" at Garces won't go back to the Fanucchi's. Water under the bridge and gone. I get the feeling that Jim Maples will get the nod but people tell me his past indescretions are under extreme scrutiny by members on the selection committee.
Has there been any progress on this issue? It's almost april. Was there a revised announcement date? c'mon man!
Quote from: dlion on March 20, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
Has there been any progress on this issue? It's almost april. Was there a revised announcement date? c'mon man!
No word. The announcement date is still in place as far as the people I talk too.
The longer it takes to announce the less chance I think Maples has to get the job.
I'm changing my opinion that it won't be Maples but it will be a "Name". Not Fanuchi but Antongiovanni.
They will give him the Dean position so he can make a living. At least he will be on campus. Which is a good thing.
I was told by several people that Anton backed out of consideration for the position because they had no position to offer. In fact, the Centennial HS coaching staff all expected him back at CHS next year as the Frosh-Soph coach. This was all before the application deadline and before the interviews took place. I am not aware that he even interviewed. Unless something dramatic has changed, this would really shock me. The last I heard (keep in mind, it has been 2 weeks) was that the Admin was excited about a Garces alum applying from New Mexico. They were reportedly holding up the interview process especially for him because he was not available until the end of March. Rumor was that even the coaching staff from last year liked this guy and would be willing to remain as assistants. The same person who told me about this rumor also told me that East High told Maples that he was prohibited from taking the HC job at Garces because he was a teacher at East. I can't imagine East could issue such a mandate, since they had no problem with Maples being the Asst HC the last two years. Unfortunately, all this info just amounts to unsubstantiated hearsay and speculation in my opinion. The only people who have knowledge of what is going on are the Admin, and they ain't talking.
I can see where east would have a problem with him being the head coach because of the time that it requires and they may not want his class room work to be compromised. But being a tenured guy I don't see his job at east at risk but the KHSD works in mysterious ways he could end up with an involuntary transfer to Kern Valley or worse yet make him coach at east again!
Is the New Mexico guy William McCain? He played at Garces back in the late 80's. He has coached a couple places in New Mexico.
Quote from: TeddyKGB on March 20, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
I can see where east would have a problem with him being the head coach because of the time that it requires and they may not want his class room work to be compromised. But being a tenured guy I don't see his job at east at risk but the KHSD works in mysterious ways he could end up with an involuntary transfer to Kern Valley or worse yet make him coach at east again!
To funny, but the admin can not tell a teacher what he or she can and can not do on their own time. So although they may threaten, they have no teeth. This is per our union rep. I personally think this has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that Garces is in the same league as East. Nothing more nothing less, but any professional should be able to keep the two seperate.
It's Maples........now we can move on.
Quote from: dlion on March 23, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
It's Maples........now we can move on.
Please Please Please tell me thats a joke. Garces takes a huge step backwards...
Just heard the news! Garces is making a huge mistake with this hire. Maples really must of really laid it on the hiring committee. Two fantastic young coaches in Crosby and Antongiovanni and they go with Maples who has pretty much been blackballed by the KHSD. Someone on the staff, we all know who it is, must of made a huge donation. Too bad for Garces
I for one am glad. You Maples haters must have no clue ho was coaching from the sidelines last year. As far as I know, Crosby is still on staff for next year. Anton is a great coach and great guy, but he just started a job at Bolthouse Farms and could not leave withou a teaching position.
Maples was always the guy. It was his job to lose even back in January. All they did was wait about 3 months longer than they should have.
If the school cared about the program, they would have created a position. The boy's basketball program has two on staff coaches and many of the other sports have at least one on staff coach. NOT FOOTBALL. Jim is nice guy, but any coach in Bakersfield will tell you that. There is a reason he was let go as the East head coach and the Garces JV coach. It is not always about the record but about how you are reflecting the goals and mission of the school while instilling those values into the young men. Oh well, time to move on. :(
Congrats to Mapes.
With all the baggage it will be a great opportunity. :u:
Kick some butt Jimmy. :u:
Jim Maples has worked with this program the last 2 years and was judged on that profromance not a interview. Garces did the right thing by promoting him from Assistant Head Coach to lead this program with the same honor as those before him. I really think us Garces fans are happy about keeping this staff together with Coach Hronis and Shipp who the players really wanted to stay. The fact is they deserve a big Thank you for working since the end of last season not really knowing the future of the program and focusing on next season which only benefits the team. The committee did the right thing and the addministration approved the right guy. This program is in good shape with the youth and experience they have put together. Garces back to Valley D2 game in 2012. Good Luck
With this drama finally out of the way, it's time to focus on that VC that has eluded the Rams the last two years. Faith has been restored and the kids are psyched. GO RAMS!
Good...now there should be no excuses when the Drillers slap the lambs around.
Garces took the right steps in route to selecting their next VHC. Allowing all prospects the opportunity to apply dispelled any future allegations (which undoubtedly would have followed) of an "inside job", each applicant had their shot and the admin. picked the right guy. Maples and Company will light up Tobias Field unlike anything Rams fans have witnessed in over 20 years! Purchase your season tickets early or join the "standing room only" crowd! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!!
Why is it so important to have someone on staff coaching the football team. Prior to the John L. era, that "on staff" philosophy brought out some pretty horrendous coaching at Garces.
Congrats Jim Maples!
Quote from: dlion on March 26, 2012, 12:19:32 PM
Why is it so important to have someone on staff coaching the football team. Prior to the John L. era, that "on staff" philosophy brought out some pretty horrendous coaching at Garces.
Congrats Jim Maples!
In a perfect world, you hire the best guy for the job and THEN you find him an on-campus position so he has more contact with the student-athletes in his program......
well said diesel.
Quote from: tailgator on March 26, 2012, 10:46:36 AM
Garces took the right steps in route to selecting their next VHC. Allowing all prospects the opportunity to apply dispelled any future allegations (which undoubtedly would have followed) of an "inside job", each applicant had their shot and the admin. picked the right guy. Maples and Company will light up Tobias Field unlike anything Rams fans have witnessed in over 20 years! Purchase your season tickets early or join the "standing room only" crowd! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!!
You're right about one thing.. They will definitely be lighting something up if you know what I mean. Horrendous selection, not the type of role models I want my kids to be playing for
I'm not a fan of garces by any stretch of the imagination or of maples for that matter but to take a shot at someone like that on a forum that is about HS sports is petty and shows a lot about the character of the person doing that. Word I'm sure you are a flawless and yet you walk amongst us morals right?
100% Correct. Thank you TeddyKGB. Just the fact that Coach Maples continued working with the staff and team during the process tells you everything you need to know about him. Good decision by the Garces Administration.
You know what KGB, you're right. I apologize. I don't know Maples personally but haven't heard many people say positive things about him or the staff. I can understand passing Crosby over because of his inexperience and youth (even though I think he would do a great job) but passing Tim Antongiovanni is a huge mistake. He is a great guy, experienced coach and a great role model. I'm very disappointed in the selection.
I apologize to Maples and his staff, that was wrong.
goalpost, please do not confuse what I said for me defending or having a high opinion of maples. My point was that this is not the place for such comments, thats all.
Quote from: Word2thewise on March 26, 2012, 04:05:44 PM
You're right about one thing.. They will definitely be lighting something up if you know what I mean. Horrendous selection, not the type of role models I want my kids to be playing for
word 2 ....you sound like the guy who didn't get the job> BAD FORM!
Quote from: Word2thewise on March 26, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
You know what KGB, you're right. I apologize. I don't know Maples personally but haven't heard many people say positive things about him or the staff. I can understand passing Crosby over because of his inexperience and youth (even though I think he would do a great job) but passing Tim Antongiovanni is a huge mistake. He is a great guy, experienced coach and a great role model. I'm very disappointed in the selection.
I apologize to Maples and his staff, that was wrong.
No need for this.
Maples will do a fine job. Give him some breathing room. It's his program now to mold.
I understand TeddyKGB. Thanks for the clarification. Word2thewise, I hope Coach Maples and staff can convince you and any others that the committee and administration made the right choice for today with his experience and in the future with this young staff of DT, Shipp, Frank, Eric, and Fred. I for one ( parent ) have positive things to say about him and staff.