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Title: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:06:32 AM
In Porterville at the Veterans Hall for the Central Section meeting of athletic directors on proposed league realignments

If you have Twitter  you can Following  along Read Mr Horn from Bakerfield  doing Live Tweet   

Glenn Davis Looking at a few lists and seeing McFarland's name being dropped for the South Sequoia League if Bakersfield Christian leaves for the SYL. Kim Frazier Stock
All of this, of course, is preliminary. Final vote on league realignment is in March for the 4-year cycle starting in 2018-19. So it's early
it Start now i will have Result when Few AD in Central Section make their case to Move from league and Stay in leagues
here we go McFarland AD Justin Derrick is the rep for the East Sierra League talk to all AD and Central Section Officals member now
Derrick says "We (McFarland) are really looking to push out of the ESL and into the SSL."
Derrick proposal is to add Wonderful Prep in Delano into the ESL. A school without a football program at this time


Glenn Davis Next up is BCHS AD Blake Van Der Shaaf. BCHS wants in the SYL and out of the SSL with first talking points being travel and keeping kids in school longer.

BCHS has a solid case to move out of the SSL. Only Bakersfield proper high school not in the any of the 3 Yosemite leagues. CHS has also been the top school in the SSL in most athletic programs over the last half decade. Arguments will obviously come from KHSD. KHSD voted for Delano to move into SYL.
So with the first two speakers. It's McFarland wanting into the SSL and BCHS wanting out. Will be interesting to see what comes about.
Next up is the talk of Delano leaving the EYL and moving Dinuba into the league, despite Dinuba not wanting to leave CSL
i Following all Tweet from Mr Horn the newspaper in bakerfield ca at the meeting with ADs in Porterville 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:06:32 AM
In Porterville at the Veterans Hall for the Central Section meeting of athletic directors on proposed league realignments

If you have Twitter  you can Following  along Read Mr Horn from Bakerfield  doing Live Tweet   

Glenn Davis Looking at a few lists and seeing McFarland's name being dropped for the South Sequoia League if Bakersfield Christian leaves for the SYL. Kim Frazier Stock
All of this, of course, is preliminary. Final vote on league realignment is in March for the 4-year cycle starting in 2018-19. So it's early
it Start now i will have Result when Few AD in Central Section make their case to Move from league and Stay in leagues
here we go McFarland AD Justin Derrick is the rep for the East Sierra League talk to all AD and Central Section Officals member now
Derrick says "We (McFarland) are really looking to push out of the ESL and into the SSL."
Derrick proposal is to add Wonderful Prep in Delano into the ESL. A school without a football program at this time


Glenn Davis Next up is BCHS AD Blake Van Der Shaaf. BCHS wants in the SYL and out of the SSL with first talking points being travel and keeping kids in school longer.

BCHS has a solid case to move out of the SSL. Only Bakersfield proper high school not in the any of the 3 Yosemite leagues. CHS has also been the top school in the SSL in most athletic programs over the last half decade. Arguments will obviously come from KHSD. KHSD voted for Delano to move into SYL.
So with the first two speakers. It's McFarland wanting into the SSL and BCHS wanting out. Will be interesting to see what comes about.
Next up is the talk of Delano leaving the EYL and moving Dinuba into the league, despite Dinuba not wanting to leave CSL
i Following all Tweet from Mr Horn the newspaper in bakerfield ca at the meeting with ADs in Porterville

Talk now is moving Orange Cove into the WSL. A lot of the talk is on Fresno Christian inability to field an 11-man football team. 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:10:04 AM
Quote from: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:07:38 AM
Talk now is moving Orange Cove into the WSL. A lot of the talk is on Fresno Christian inability to field an 11-man football team.

All of this, of course, is preliminary. Final vote on league realignment is in March for the 4-year cycle starting in 2018-19. So it's early
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:06:32 AM
In Porterville at the Veterans Hall for the Central Section meeting of athletic directors on proposed league realignments

If you have Twitter  you can Following  along Read Mr Horn from Bakerfield  doing Live Tweet   

Glenn Davis Looking at a few lists and seeing McFarland's name being dropped for the South Sequoia League if Bakersfield Christian leaves for the SYL. Kim Frazier Stock
All of this, of course, is preliminary. Final vote on league realignment is in March for the 4-year cycle starting in 2018-19. So it's early
it Start now i will have Result when Few AD in Central Section make their case to Move from league and Stay in leagues
here we go McFarland AD Justin Derrick is the rep for the East Sierra League talk to all AD and Central Section Officals member now
Derrick says "We (McFarland) are really looking to push out of the ESL and into the SSL."
Derrick proposal is to add Wonderful Prep in Delano into the ESL. A school without a football program at this time


Glenn Davis Next up is BCHS AD Blake Van Der Shaaf. BCHS wants in the SYL and out of the SSL with first talking points being travel and keeping kids in school longer.

BCHS has a solid case to move out of the SSL. Only Bakersfield proper high school not in the any of the 3 Yosemite leagues. CHS has also been the top school in the SSL in most athletic programs over the last half decade. Arguments will obviously come from KHSD. KHSD voted for Delano to move into SYL.
So with the first two speakers. It's McFarland wanting into the SSL and BCHS wanting out. Will be interesting to see what comes about.
Next up is the talk of Delano leaving the EYL and moving Dinuba into the league, despite Dinuba not wanting to leave CSL
i Following all Tweet from Mr Horn the newspaper in bakerfield ca at the meeting with ADs in Porterville

WSL discussion gets murky when ADs realize it would move Yosemite out and leave it at a four-team league in football. That won't work.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:06:32 AM
In Porterville at the Veterans Hall for the Central Section meeting of athletic directors on proposed league realignments

If you have Twitter  you can Following  along Read Mr Horn from Bakerfield  doing Live Tweet   

Glenn Davis Looking at a few lists and seeing McFarland's name being dropped for the South Sequoia League if Bakersfield Christian leaves for the SYL. Kim Frazier Stock
All of this, of course, is preliminary. Final vote on league realignment is in March for the 4-year cycle starting in 2018-19. So it's early
it Start now i will have Result when Few AD in Central Section make their case to Move from league and Stay in leagues
here we go McFarland AD Justin Derrick is the rep for the East Sierra League talk to all AD and Central Section Officals member now
Derrick says "We (McFarland) are really looking to push out of the ESL and into the SSL."
Derrick proposal is to add Wonderful Prep in Delano into the ESL. A school without a football program at this time


Glenn Davis Next up is BCHS AD Blake Van Der Shaaf. BCHS wants in the SYL and out of the SSL with first talking points being travel and keeping kids in school longer.

BCHS has a solid case to move out of the SSL. Only Bakersfield proper high school not in the any of the 3 Yosemite leagues. CHS has also been the top school in the SSL in most athletic programs over the last half decade. Arguments will obviously come from KHSD. KHSD voted for Delano to move into SYL.
So with the first two speakers. It's McFarland wanting into the SSL and BCHS wanting out. Will be interesting to see what comes about.
Next up is the talk of Delano leaving the EYL and moving Dinuba into the league, despite Dinuba not wanting to leave CSL
i Following all Tweet from Mr Horn the newspaper in bakerfield ca at the meeting with ADs in Porterville

I still want for more Tweet  from Mr Horn     So Be patient  here   

Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
All of this talk from the ADs will be taken into consideration and will be decided by the three area commissioners in the Central Section
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 12, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
I'm guessing the Delano move down South and Dinuba into the EYL is making room for the WYL to move a team out to get them to 6 teams.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 12, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
Delano to Bakersfield leagues, Dinuba into the EYL and Hanford West into the CSL. 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:26:23 AM
Reedley petitioning out of NYL and into the CSL because of neighborhood rivalries for the Pirates.
Hanford West petitioning into the CSL rather than Reedley
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 12, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
Delano to Bakersfield leagues, Dinuba into the EYL and Hanford West into the CSL.

Reedley want go  CSL too 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:27:59 AM
Much like the talks of moving East into the SEYL, the talk of CSL moving in Reedley with Dinuba, Selma, Kingsburg is about local travel.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:31:14 AM
Steve Matney representing the SEYL.

Scott Davisson from West for the SYL.

Tim Davis of Liberty up first for the SWYL.

Ok. KHSD up now. All ADs coming up to speak. Interesting
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:35:20 AM
BCHS asking KHSD athletic directors why Delano over BCHS, Scott Davisson said "They want in. We chose them."
Stan Greene response: "As a district and a league, We have the right. That's why." No explanation on reasoning
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:51:49 AM
OK. Here we go. The talk of private vs public school finally being discussed by Taft AD, calling it "the elephant in the room."

Shafter AD says they want SSL to move to six teams, saying seven is not fair. Currently at seven in this four-year cycle.

Wasco AD with a little humor, saying "Let's make it easy." with moving McFarland to SSL and BCHS to the SYL.

Joan Finch, the Garces AD talking points to stay in SWYL is girls sports and not about football and boys basketball.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 10:52:56 AM
Finch back at the mic. Showing alternative proposal with Rams staying in SWYL and BCHS into the SYL with East to the SEYL. Not Delano.

Finch, though, says that if Garces goes to SYL, would rather have Delano and NOT BCHS. Interesting.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 11:02:12 AM
So, here it is. BCHS wants in the SYL. McFarland wants in the SSL. Delano wants in the SYL. Garces wants in the SWYL. Moving parts.

I will have more when  it Post    Guys Hold  on 

If you got Twitter account Follwing Horn    his following  it  and post  it   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
No Ridgeview AD Mark Thompson here today to talk about the Wolf Pack moving into the SWYL.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 11:06:44 AM
My thoughts are Ridgeview moves into the SWYL and Garces and BCHS seemed likely to go into SYL. The issue is where to put Delano, McFarland.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 12, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Meeting is over. Now in the hands of the three area commissioners. 

now your Opioion and  thoughts bout this meeting 

   that mean thems will have Rest of October and  Nov and Dec and Jan and Feb  before Make the final Decide    on   what be Say at this Meeting   

  I thougts Some say Exeter was  leave  CSL    but  it was no talk bout that   only Dinuba leave and Reedley and Hanford West  come to CSL   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
I'm a little surprised that this conversation isn't getting a little attention here on the board with possible league changes being made.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: coachhammer on October 13, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Why is Garces so adamant the BCHS not be in the same league with them? Catholics vs. Protestants?
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: eylchamps on October 13, 2016, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
I'm a little surprised that this conversation isn't getting a little attention here on the board with possible league changes being made.

I agree. Tulare Co schools are going to change if they like it or not.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 02:39:38 PM
I like the idea of Dinuba to the EYL, I think that's a great fit.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 13, 2016, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: coachhammer on October 13, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Why is Garces so adamant the BCHS not be in the same league with them? Catholics vs. Protestants?

it got be a good Reason for Not have Garces and BCHS  in the same League      I cant Figure  it  out but maybe Recuiters    in Bakerfield area  for thems 2 school ?
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 13, 2016, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 02:39:38 PM
I like the idea of Dinuba to the EYL, I think that's a great fit.

  I Like the Idea   with Dinuiba  Play EYL  their can handle  it  in  there

Tulare Union (Tulare, CA)    1   0   0   100%   5   1   0   83%
Tulare Western (Tulare, CA)       1   0   0   100%   4   2   0   67%
Mission Oak (Tulare, CA)       1   0   0   100%   2   4   0   33%
Monache (Porterville, CA)       0   1   0   0%   2   4   0   33%
Delano (CA)       0   1   0   0%   2   4   0   33%
Porterville (CA) 

Add Dinuba and Drop Delano   Sound  good Planning       Dinuba will  only drive to Tulare ca    or Portville   

I think Add Dinuba will make this League Strong   with Compitation  here   

With Dinuba 4-2   in CSL     

I tho Kingsburg and Exeter was Leave CSL     from what  I heard that was not bring  up to thems 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: ThetruthBeTold on October 13, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
To bad  they couldn't drop Frontier and Independence.  Then add  Ridegview and Garces to the SYL.  Create a super league that rivals the TRAC.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: CWClassof2007 on October 13, 2016, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: ThetruthBeTold on October 13, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
To bad  they couldn't drop Frontier and Independence.  Then add  Ridegview and Garces to the SYL.  Create a super league that rivals the TRAC.
I'm assuming you mean SWYL. Which Garces is already in & Independence is not.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: eylchamps on October 13, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 02:39:38 PM
I like the idea of Dinuba to the EYL, I think that's a great fit.

Darth, as great as that sounds, it will not happen due to distance. Dinuba in WYL would be a better fit but additional changes to WYL is needed. Can CVC compete in the WYL?
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: coachhammer on October 14, 2016, 07:32:38 AM
Quote from: CWClassof2007 on October 13, 2016, 08:16:03 PM
I'm assuming you mean SWYL. Which Garces is already in & Independence is not.
Independence was out to put Garces in. Independence never belonged in that league
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Quote from: eylchamps on October 13, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Darth, as great as that sounds, it will not happen due to distance. Dinuba in WYL would be a better fit but additional changes to WYL is needed. Can CVC compete in the WYL?

The simple answer to this is no. They simply don't have the student body population to compete at that level on a weekly basis. They may make a game of it from time to time with Golden West or Hanford West but even that might be asking a lot. CVC ebbs and flows with the other Visalia schools, so with Redwood on the rise they will lose some potential players there. When El Diamante was in its hay day, CVC was a sinking ship. 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Quote from: eylchamps on October 13, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Darth, as great as that sounds, it will not happen due to distance. Dinuba in WYL would be a better fit but additional changes to WYL is needed. Can CVC compete in the WYL?

Well, it's pretty much a done deal.  Dinuba to Tulare is not a great distance. CVC will never sniff the WYL.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 07:57:53 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 13, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
I'm a little surprised that this conversation isn't getting a little attention here on the board with possible league changes being made.

I along with 100% of Dinubians do not want to see us in the EYL. To us it would be like taking the Raiders out of the AFC West or the Cowboys out of the NFC East. The CSL gets up for one another week in and week out, to where every week is a rivalry game. We know there isn't a lot of attention to schools in the Sequoia Leagues, but not playing the likes of Kingsburg and Selma where to where families (related and not) over generations have went toe to toe on the playing field against one another just would not be right. The exact reason Reedley wants in.  I'm not talking just football either Wrestling, Baseball, Softball, Baseball, Basketball (boys and girls), are on a consistent basis of being very competitive amongst each other.
If we were to move into the EYL it would pretty much be nameless, faceless, teams that we would compete against. We don't know them, they don't know us and the loss of that Rivalry feeling every Friday night would not be the same. Granted competition is competition, but for me personally it is much more than just a placing a team here or there to fit someone's agenda.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:02:43 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Well, it's pretty much a done deal.  Dinuba to Tulare is not a great distance. CVC will never sniff the WYL.

Dinuba to Porterville is
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Quote from: eylchamps on October 13, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
Darth, as great as that sounds, it will not happen due to distance. Dinuba in WYL would be a better fit but additional changes to WYL is needed. Can CVC compete in the WYL?

If you leave the CSL as is or add Reedley you would have 4-5 teams within a 15-20 mile radius (some closer) from each other. All very competitive with one another.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 08:16:54 AM
You guys are missing the main point of these moves. There can no longer be odd amounts of teams in leagues for football reasons. The #1 issue is that the WYL has 7 teams. They are dropping Hanford West to get to 6 teams which places them more than likely into the CSL. Delano wants to move down to Bakersfield for travel reasons which means someone from the CSL has to move to the EYL. Dinuba is by FAR the biggest school in the CSL. It's ridiculous that they compete against Immanuel and CVC. Think about the Dinuba vs. CVC games... 350 vs. 1900.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 08:19:19 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 07:57:53 AM
I along with 100% of Dinubians do not want to see us in the EYL. To us it would be like taking the Raiders out of the AFC West or the Cowboys out of the NFC East. The CSL gets up for one another week in and week out, to where every week is a rivalry game. We know there isn't a lot of attention to schools in the Sequoia Leagues, but not playing the likes of Kingsburg and Selma where to where families (related and not) over generations have went toe to toe on the playing field against one another just would not be right. The exact reason Reedley wants in.  I'm not talking just football either Wrestling, Baseball, Softball, Baseball, Basketball (boys and girls), are on a consistent basis of being very competitive amongst each other.
If we were to move into the EYL it would pretty much be nameless, faceless, teams that we would compete against. We don't know them, they don't know us and the loss of that Rivalry feeling every Friday night would not be the same. Granted competition is competition, but for me personally it is much more than just a placing a team here or there to fit someone's agenda.

Take it as a compliment...Dinuba has simply outgrown the CSL. With  an 1,800 student body it's clear it's either time for Dinuba to build another HS or accept the facts. Selma is fast approaching those numbers and that is shown in their recent dominance. The CSL is by far the most diverse league containing schools from D5 up to D2(Dinuba). When it comes to league titles the deck is clearly stacked in your favor. You can still maintain those "Rival" games by scheduling them as non league games.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 08:20:45 AM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 08:19:19 AM
Take it as a compliment...Dinuba has simply outgrown the CSL. With  an 1,800 student body it's clear it's either time for Dinuba to build another HS or accept the facts. Selma is fast approaching those numbers and that is shown in their recent dominance. The CSL is by far the most diverse league containing schools from D5 up to D2(Dinuba). When it comes to league titles the deck is clearly stacked in your favor. You can still maintain those "Rival" games by scheduling them as non league games.

Well stated. Kinda suspect that the Dinuba people are all clamoring to stay in a league with schools under 1000 population when they almost double that...  c'mon EYE in the SKY, step your game up!
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 08:16:54 AM
You guys are missing the main point of these moves. There can no longer be odd amounts of teams in leagues for football reasons. The #1 issue is that the WYL has 7 teams. They are dropping Hanford West to get to 6 teams which places them more than likely into the CSL. Delano wants to move down to Bakersfield for travel reasons which means someone from the CSL has to move to the EYL. Dinuba is by FAR the biggest school in the CSL. It's ridiculous that they compete against Immanuel and CVC. Think about the Dinuba vs. CVC games... 350 vs. 1900.

I am not disagreeing with you on that your points, but the enrollment argument is basically football only, and private vs public has gone on and on for years on here and private conversations. Why not have a league with all private schools? Across the board in all sports have been knock down drag out series.
And by FAR you mean 100 students to Selma's 1800?
Believe me it's not the competition of a YOSEMITE league that I am against, as you can see how Coach schedules our preseason, and I would like to see Redwood added next season along with Sanger.
All of this because why??? Because Delano WANTS to move. So for whatever reason they have more say so on their travel when it's the exact same distance from Delano to Bakersfield as it is Delano to Tulare 30+miles give or take. When Dinuba, Reedley (Immanuel), Kingsburg, and Selma can drive less than 15 minutes to one another.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 08:20:45 AM
Well stated. Kinda suspect that the Dinuba people are all clamoring to stay in a league with schools under 1000 population when they almost double that...  c'mon EYE in the SKY, step your game up!

If it were up to me I would drop those schools and add Reedley and Sanger...and it's not like we aren't 2-1 vs the EYL this year anyway right. And went toe to toe in that loss. You are missing the point.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:34:09 AM
If it were up to me I would drop those schools and add Reedley and Sanger

I've posted before create a CYL
Dinuba
Kingsburg
Selma
Reedley
Sanger
and add another team if need be
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 08:46:57 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:41:37 AM
I've posted before create a CYL
Dinuba
Kingsburg
Selma
Reedley
Sanger
and add another team if need be

Not sure Reedley would like that. They would be 0-5 in league every year. They are 0-4 against those pre-season match up this year.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 08:46:57 AM
Not sure Reedley would like that. They would be 0-5 in league every year. They are 0-4 against those pre-season match up this year.

I think what is getting lost is NOT JUST FOOTBALL.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 08:57:30 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
I think what is getting lost is NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

What are you talking about Willis...It's ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL!!
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 09:06:32 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Well, it's pretty much a done deal.  Dinuba to Tulare is not a great distance. CVC will never sniff the WYL.

If  CVC  have More Players   on Varisty  and JV    I think we be .500  team

   Posted by: Darth Backer
« on: Today at 08:16:54 AM »
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You guys are missing the main point of these moves. There can no longer be odd amounts of teams in leagues for football reasons. The #1 issue is that the WYL has 7 teams. They are dropping Hanford West to get to 6 teams which places them more than likely into the CSL. Delano wants to move down to Bakersfield for travel reasons which means someone from the CSL has to move to the EYL. Dinuba is by FAR the biggest school in the CSL. It's ridiculous that they compete against Immanuel and CVC. Think about the Dinuba vs. CVC games... 350 vs. 1900.

CVC  only 270  Not 350  Students   let  Clear that  from someone say 350       

Most   is Half Boys and Half Girls       at CVC   it bout Even at CVC  Students Body 


I along with 100% of Dinubians do not want to see us in the EYL. To us it would be like taking the Raiders out of the AFC West or the Cowboys out of the NFC East     

2002: The NFC West was realigned for 4 members. The Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, and New Orleans Saints all moved to the newly formed NFC South. The Arizona Cardinals joined from the NFC East and the Seattle Seahawks joined from the AFC West.

to Monche 

Really  CVC Sinked Ship  when  CVC Girls   can handle   with WYL   team now   

If  I recall right  our valleyball team Beat Redwood not once but  twice  in valley champs         

our  lady cavs   Soccer  handle with WYL   Teams  go the Valley champs ga,e 

  Our Boys Golfs  win Valley     against WYL  Teams 

Our  Boys and Girls tennis  team Handle  with WYL   

Our baseball team  Most  Handle  with WYL Teams  this past  season   

I think we will maybe go 4-6  in Football     

Mt Whitney will always have up and down  the same with   

Hanford     wwill be back  on top when their need the right guys     to play varisty   
their will take over  again this pasdt few Year     

Lemoore  was good at a time   but their can Rebuild and Regroup  be the top 2 Team     in WYL with Hanford   

Golden west finally   got their wing t   working with new coach staff  this past 3 Season    send the Old HC  and his staff  Leave   

But  if CVC     can add More Player   on theirs  Roster     with 45  or 50    it will take away JV Football program at CVC     

Yes  CVC  JV  team  is more Biggest  then Varisty team       JV avg 35 Players   and Varisty    avg 27    Players 

  think bout   it if  their cominbine  their wont have Problem      have very Deep Depth Chart      in CVC   

Rememeber    past  5 years    when   I JV was really Good with Tony Deafg   and Stock and   Etc their all come from JV Team    we didn't wont bring thems  up as Freshman   

I ask 4 years ago  But I glad Coach Hughes didn't Listen to me  I told everyone       2013    Football Season      get ready   CVC     going have  Great  3-4 years with their Soph and jr and Sr class        by  2016   or 2017 

Look at JJ  his was Freshman JV Qb       then bring up  Last season  his Soph year Play Defense   

now  His Jr year Full time QB   at CVC     

would be able to Handle with WYL Team today  ?  well  we handle with thems  7-7 Passing league   Monche   coach neol we handle with Mt whitney  and Misson oak and Tulare Union    in  7-7  passing   league   

   past 3 Year we handle with the best at Morro bay    tourmanet  come  in top 5  team  in Valley here   

But  like  I say  If  CVC want be with WYL  their will have to Get rid JV Program  or   ask the boys not Play football to Join    the team as Freshman to Sr class    that will be Deep Death chart  for offense and Defense   for CVC  Both JV and varisty level 

Yes  we Loss to bakerfield by 2 TD      in 7-7  passing league   2 Year ago   at Morro Bay   

my answer  right now No we cant handle with WYL right now after  Loss  55 players  this Past 3 years  from CVC    when we are at Loss 13  more this upcoming season  and Small number for Jr and Soph class   

with tony Draft    we have 20     when tony was Qb 

2 year ago we Loss  other 17  this past season   other   18   

Look at BCHS  few year ago     their Loss   18  each season   But their have  Qb and Rb  when their was freshman  yes their Play varisty all 4 Year But Qb was transfer from bakerfield        to Play Jr and sr  year at BCHS from bakerfield that why  bakerfield   have 3-4 great Qb        3 years ago   

we  got  feeling good group from JV this year       Doing good    rright now      Cvc  hopeful Visalia cavs youth Football bring thems Kids to  CVC    next season      to CVC  to Play JV  or varisty Ball   

yes  this past 4 years    Visalia cavs football youth be the best team from pee wee  to Sr class for thems   

I Know  alots High school     fight  over  Rb from Visalia cavs youth Football team when his a Sr     on that team be  9th grade Next season

His Pretty much will be going El D       bc the head coach     I wish  his would go CVC    his be great Rb for Cvc for 4 years  on varisty  Team     

   

   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:11:02 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
I think what is getting lost is NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

I've said it a bunch of times! This is a FOOTBALL issue. The CIF has changed the state playoff schedule to help out the winter sports. Teams now have 10 weeks to play 10 games. No more week zero. In the WYL, for example, with 7 teams, Hanford West has a week 10 bye and Hanford has a week 9 bye. It is impossible to find games that week. Therefore, we have to do away with leagues with an odd amount of teams in order to avoid bye weeks in the league schedule. Teams will have to move. Delano moves down to help out the league down there that has odd teams and HW moves out to fix the WYL. Dinuba slides in to adjust the EYL back to even teams... you keep making proposals for an odd numbered CYL. Moving Reedley screws up their even numbered league.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:11:02 AM
I've said it a bunch of times! This is a FOOTBALL issue. The CIF has changed the state playoff schedule to help out the winter sports. Teams now have 10 weeks to play 10 games. No more week zero. In the WYL, for example, with 7 teams, Hanford West has a week 10 bye and Hanford has a week 9 bye. It is impossible to find games that week. Therefore, we have to do away with leagues with an odd amount of teams in order to avoid bye weeks in the league schedule. Teams will have to move. Delano moves down to help out the league down there that has odd teams and HW moves out to fix the WYL. Dinuba slides in to adjust the EYL back to even teams... you keep making proposals for an odd numbered CYL. Moving Reedley screws up their even numbered league.

Then why not move say ??? Golden West to EYL. Even up WYL teams, and they can schedule the Saddle game week 2 against El D. Much less travel to Porterville.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Visalia Unified won't break up their teams. And I'm sure the CIF isn't crazy about Dinuba playing against schools with 1000 students...
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
The key is why is Delano playing with house money? There should be a proposal where they stay. The travel issue carries ZERO weight.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:19:17 AM
The key is why is Delano playing with house money? There should be a proposal where they stay. The travel issue carries ZERO weight.

Because there is a league down there that needs a team and that evens up all of Bakersfield...
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 09:06:32 AM
If  CVC  have More Players   on Varisty  and JV    I think we be .500  team

   Posted by: Darth Backer
« on: Today at 08:16:54 AM »
Insert Quote

You guys are missing the main point of these moves. There can no longer be odd amounts of teams in leagues for football reasons. The #1 issue is that the WYL has 7 teams. They are dropping Hanford West to get to 6 teams which places them more than likely into the CSL. Delano wants to move down to Bakersfield for travel reasons which means someone from the CSL has to move to the EYL. Dinuba is by FAR the biggest school in the CSL. It's ridiculous that they compete against Immanuel and CVC. Think about the Dinuba vs. CVC games... 350 vs. 1900.

CVC  only 270  Not 350  Students   let  Clear that  from someone say 350       

Most   is Half Boys and Half Girls       at CVC   it bout Even at CVC  Students Body 


I along with 100% of Dinubians do not want to see us in the EYL. To us it would be like taking the Raiders out of the AFC West or the Cowboys out of the NFC East     

2002: The NFC West was realigned for 4 members. The Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, and New Orleans Saints all moved to the newly formed NFC South. The Arizona Cardinals joined from the NFC East and the Seattle Seahawks joined from the AFC West.

to Monche 

Really  CVC Sinked Ship  when  CVC Girls   can handle   with WYL   team now   

If  I recall right  our valleyball team Beat Redwood not once but  twice  in valley champs         

our  lady cavs   Soccer  handle with WYL   Teams  go the Valley champs ga,e 

  Our Boys Golfs  win Valley     against WYL  Teams 

Our  Boys and Girls tennis  team Handle  with WYL   

Our baseball team  Most  Handle  with WYL Teams  this past  season   

I think we will maybe go 4-6  in Football     

Mt Whitney will always have up and down  the same with   

Hanford     wwill be back  on top when their need the right guys     to play varisty   
their will take over  again this pasdt few Year     

Lemoore  was good at a time   but their can Rebuild and Regroup  be the top 2 Team     in WYL with Hanford   

Golden west finally   got their wing t   working with new coach staff  this past 3 Season    send the Old HC  and his staff  Leave   

But  if CVC     can add More Player   on theirs  Roster     with 45  or 50    it will take away JV Football program at CVC     

Yes  CVC  JV  team  is more Biggest  then Varisty team       JV avg 35 Players   and Varisty    avg 27    Players 

  think bout   it if  their cominbine  their wont have Problem      have very Deep Depth Chart      in CVC   

Rememeber    past  5 years    when   I JV was really Good with Tony Deafg   and Stock and   Etc their all come from JV Team    we didn't wont bring thems  up as Freshman   

I ask 4 years ago  But I glad Coach Hughes didn't Listen to me  I told everyone       2013    Football Season      get ready   CVC     going have  Great  3-4 years with their Soph and jr and Sr class        by  2016   or 2017 

Look at JJ  his was Freshman JV Qb       then bring up  Last season  his Soph year Play Defense   

now  His Jr year Full time QB   at CVC     
   

   

Come on Glenn, you guys don't even have Freshman sports or half of the other sports that are played in the WYL, we aren't listening to you talk about CVC hanging with the big boys!
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:21:12 AM
Because there is a league down there that needs a team and that evens up all of Bakersfield...

The same said league BCHS is trying to join?
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:26:35 AM
They need a new team regardless down there, that other talk was just about shifting some teams around for competitive reasons.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:26:35 AM
They need a new team regardless down there, that other talk was just about shifting some teams around for competitive reasons.

SSL has 7 teams. Move one to the other, problem solved.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 09:36:19 AM
Darth Backer

I still think D1-2   and D3-4  and  D5-6 combine       but   if team cant handle   D3-4 Comibine  and 56  togerher     Create  Division for Teams cant Handle    then Division the league there      that will be the best bet to do   in Division 

   you maybe will have 5-6  team  in league       

But   I Don't like  Jump from D4 to D3  then D2      after 2 year  or 3 years  win valley  or make  it the final round   

  to me   it silly do that  when you have great  Football Program 

like sample  Liberty from Medrea   and Kingsburg   

Liberty from D5  to D4   

Kingsburg changes  in 3 year from D4  to D3 D2  back D3   

I think Enrolled   is Most Improtment thing  keep thems largest school   together and Stay away with 700 to  0  School Enroll 

look at D1 and D2     their small could end upo Join  make  it Division together   it be  tough Make Playoff Beath  if  4  from D1  go Playoff  D2  bout half thems go Fill 16 team breath    maybe go 32  team  Playoff     
Maybe the same with D3-4  and D5-6    the same   

you know DB  LOL    I going preach this  until central section  do  this   Join D 1-2 together and D3-4 and D5-6     together  but  I would Look at  how many teams  team go the Playoff and decide if   it need go 16 to 32 Team Playoff  Backets 

But  PS  it not bout CVC this and that   

it best for everyone to Be happy  and Put  in the right place  for the valley   

D1-2   call it Division 1   

D3-4  call  it Division 2   

D5-6   call  it Division  3 

Open Division 4  teams cant handle with D3  to Division  6   be  in their own Division   

that mean   the  only way   team be Move  up  or Down  from their Enroll  not how their do  for a Season  or make  Playoff to valley champs  or State Playoff    brackets     

if their Enroll   Drop from 2000  to 1000   then Yesr their Move down     

if   Enroll from 300  go up to 1200   then yes  their Move up    that the  only way  their will move up   

let Get rid how their doing  in playoff   and State Playoff   

I Know you going ask me bout  what bout league     if their  in  Division 1,2,3 and Open Division   
the same way    their doing  it now   Decide   like trac   can stay the same   but  other    will be Big    Decide  if you want satill have CSL and WYL SWYL     

But    I believe enrollets for school     in Valley will place thems  in the right place  if their are bad  in Sport to other Sports     

Here a Sample   

Look at CVC 

D2 valleyball     could be  in their enroll Division 4-5    no matter  if their win Valley champs ring 

D4 Football    their could Enroll be with 4 or 5    Easy  no matter how their doing     

D4 baseball       their can be  in D4-5    easy   No matter how their doing 

the same with others  have this some Issure   from D1  to D 6    in Sports     

I believe  their would do good  in their  own Division by Enroll    not move thems around  up and down   No matter if AD    or School think other wise    in this Case     

Like Garces  and Dalno    How you speel thems School  and  others   

you can have Outside league  like what everyone have  in D2-D6    look at CSL   
Most thems  in 3 Divison for Playoff  in valley today     

you got have tough Scheldue   sometime  play with D3-45 or 6  team   

Look at Dinuba Schuedle and Kingsburg and Exeter and  CVC   

yes CVC was  only   2  bad team that was Lindsay  and Hoover  but their are doing better srend CVC beats thems  CVC SOS     is better     from thems Team   today     the rest was hard team  like BCHS and Cheavz  and  Chowchilla 

Most the team CVC  play so far  the Score  was  good to know  we can Handle with Cheavz    for few qtr  the same with BCHS   until Middle 3-4 qtr    when their Just want score  52  point     we ask for that  from 2 year ago    Score 52  on thems     

Cheavz could have Score   60  on CVC  but their Call the dog  off  for many Reason  like taft  game follow week  and like Selma  Did too  bc their Play Dinuba   this week   

  it Just Depend  on  who you play each week       I can Understand that  complete   

But DB   it maybe would Help Us at CVC  play WYL team    More     Make  CVC Kids tough and pyscail  team  too         yes CVC maybe struggle for Few year   in WYL But    Peoples be complain    bout why CVC  just Play  with Visalia school   this past 4 year now  like ya DB 

yes     Db we will struggle    but  it be worth  it the kids Pla y Team  in town    it big challenge    it will be alots  on the Line  not for WYL  but City champs   on the Line   

beat Redwood and Mt Whitney  and Golden west    for Visalia city champs    Like  other be Saying for years send CVC got good  3 year ago         
 
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:41:05 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Visalia Unified won't break up their teams. And I'm sure the CIF isn't crazy about Dinuba playing against schools with 1000 students...

But have no problem the Golden Valley and Ridgeview a playing team with 900 less students in their league. Makes a ton of sense. Or BHS and Garces right cause their enrollment is on par.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: eylchamps on October 14, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Notice that no one wants to move or change. The big schools will take their stance and the little schools will get screwed.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 09:28:11 AM
SSL has 7 teams. Move one to the other, problem solved.

Let me make this easy for you to understand. The total amount of teams in all of the Bakersfield leagues is odd. When you add Delano (who's other schools already play down there) to Bakersfield, it evens it out. We have a 7 team league here in the Central area. That needs to be fixed. HW struggles in the WYL (last every year in the All-Sports trophy) so it makes sense to move them out. Dinuba is huge for the CSL.

I'm not saying this is set in stone but based on the meeting with the ADs that Trevor Horn tweeted out and the rumors I've heard, I'd be very surprised if it doesn't go down that way, despite how Dinuba feels about it.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Let me make this easy for you to understand. The total amount of teams in all of the Bakersfield leagues is odd. When you add Delano (who's other schools already play down there) to Bakersfield, it evens it out. We have a 7 team league here in the Central area. That needs to be fixed. HW struggles in the WYL (last every year in the All-Sports trophy) so it makes sense to move them out. Dinuba is huge for the CSL.

I'm not saying this is set in stone but based on the meeting with the ADs that Trevor Horn tweeted out and the rumors I've heard, I'd be very surprised if it doesn't go down that way, despite how Dinuba feels about it.

I feeling  Dinuba can handle with the D2   or 3  without CSL    look how their handle  it now  send  this past 2-3 year now   

  yes  it Big step for Dinuba Leave CSL       but thweir maybe wont win  any League title    in Different League     like CSL   

it always between Dinuba and Kingsburg  or cvc  or Exeter and Selma    for league title  their could have end up last season win   it   in 2015  if tDinuba didn't loss key game  in the league title   like Exeter  or Selma and Kingsburg     

But   I be Sad if Dinuba leave CSl  all my Dear friend at Dinuba  like HC and Qb Coach   Not just Dinuba treat me good  it like Selma and Kingsburg and  Exeter  yes Exeter  always good to me    when we play thems   :-)   No Matter what the final score  is   we always get few laugh
the  only school  I have more Problem with Immanuel     Baseball HC   and asst coach and fews Players  always good to me  at Immanuel But Football and basketball and Few Staff at  Immanuel   be  not good  for Between me   and Immanuel 

I Just Love  MonarchPride     I Love  Pick  him send we First meet each  other  on Cvhspreps         

yes exter and cvc  just have bad time with Injuryed    that go back what MonarchPride ?  2009  with that best Rb     I cant think  his name     but  I tho   his would be Biggest   of Films  until  I saw  him  in personal       LOL     

think bout this   in  8 Year from Now  when my Daughter    14  will be going to El D      she be Mines   and  I be retired CVC Camerman before  8 year      DB and MonarchPride       

yes that sign the school for my daughter going      in 8 year from now         

the Kids   as  freshman to Sr   Live  in my Neightborhood     for the past 5 Years  now   
yes   one the boy  play El D  football  today     we always joke around say  you need get your parent   Sign you up go CVC      LOL   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Dinuba vs. EYL teams

2016 (2-1)
2015 (1-2)
2014 (3-0)
2013 (2-1)
2012 (2-1)

That's a combined 10-5 vs. the EYL since they started scheduling those schools in the pre-season back in 2012. They'll be just fine. They are also 4-3 vs. WYL schools in that time frame.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Dinuba vs. EYL teams

2016 (2-1)
2015 (1-2)
2014 (3-0)
2013 (2-1)
2012 (2-1)

That's a combined 10-5 vs. the EYL since they started scheduling those schools in the pre-season back in 2012. They'll be just fine.


see that true Fact  rhere DB    I agree  Dinuba  will be fine    But    Play full Schedule  of WYL and their Divisin      can beat thems   going be huge step for thems      if  HC Stay there for 20 years   from now to  2027       when that Coaches staff  Retired  from Dinuba       it wont be the same  look at Kingsburg   Staff    but their barley get  it together  now 

But  it the right choice for Dinuba for Football  program  their going enroll almost  1200   every year  no matter who thr head coach at Dinuba    is   

Like CVC     their going Avg 248  or 280  every year     we got make Central Section Agree with  us Enroll  is More Importment  to their school  Program  of  Win fw  valley champs title  or State title

you maybe wont hear bout Georgia    how their did all praivte  school   in State  but their make their Only Playoff brackets  Last season 

But the League the same but when  it time  for Playoff  GHSA  Decide the top 16 team for Publis and Praivte school bracket   today 

in Alabama   today their have AISA   what that mean   it praivte League   for  all the Small praivte School  like Glenwood    their call  it AISA   in State  of Alabama    the same for texas  Doing that program    too   

too bad   Few Section  can get together  be praivte league with all praivte school     in California    make  is CCIF         
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 11:15:35 AM
Glenn

I think you are referring to the 2008-09 season when they had Cameron Loeffler at tailback. That was a great Exeter team that went 9-1 in the regular season. The only loss coming to CVC 14-7. That team also had Tyler Houk and Jaycee Totty, all of which went on to play in college. If I'm not mistaken CVC lost to Kingsburg in the regular season but beat them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 11:21:01 AM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Let me make this easy for you to understand. The total amount of teams in all of the Bakersfield leagues is odd. When you add Delano (who's other schools already play down there) to Bakersfield, it evens it out. We have a 7 team league here in the Central area. That needs to be fixed. HW struggles in the WYL (last every year in the All-Sports trophy) so it makes sense to move them out. Dinuba is huge for the CSL.

I'm not saying this is set in stone but based on the meeting with the ADs that Trevor Horn tweeted out and the rumors I've heard, I'd be very surprised if it doesn't go down that way, despite how Dinuba feels about it.

Thanks for dumbing that down for me, but actually all Bakersfield schools have 6 teams except SWYL (5) and SSL (7) so 7-1=6 and 5+1 = 6 . I did graduate from Dinuba so we might have to have another member check on that for us.

As I stated before, which you obviously didn't care to read. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Dinuba does not fear in the least competition in the EYL, and find it humorous that you imply such things. We are not trying to Sandbag (which quite a few teams are allowed to do),we are not HUGE considering the difference between us and the next largest school is 100 students or less.

I just take issue with the fact that traditions have to take a back seat to backroom politics (The rumors you heard) and predetermined agendas.   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 11:15:35 AM
Glenn

I think you are referring to the 2008-09 season when they had Cameron Loeffler at tailback. That was a great Exeter team that went 9-1 in the regular season. The only loss coming to CVC 14-7. That team also had Tyler Houk and Jaycee Totty, all of which went on to play in college. If I'm not mistaken CVC lost to Kingsburg in the regular season but beat them in the playoffs.

Nope we Loss Both game against Kingsburg  when trey bray was Jr Qb  that  year   

  we tho Fog would Slow down trey bray threw the bomb against Us     Giggles  but  the Run  and shorts pass  in the Fog  Didn't happen at all   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 11:51:23 AM
Darth Backer

If  I was run the show at Central Section      Offical  I would Put  team  in the right polace bc their Enroll       or you can join Out  of section   other Zone   

New league 
Enroll More Importment   

Caruthers High School(D5) 580
Fowler (D5) 769
Parlier(D5) 785
Woodlake D5 663
Corcoran  D5 847
Sierra Pacific (Hanford) D5  748
CVC  D5 269
Immanuel  D5  275

that mean all  of thems be able go D5 Playoff 

how   I figure that  out    enroll  all thems  under  900  to 0  DB           
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 11:21:01 AM
Thanks for dumbing that down for me, but actually all Bakersfield schools have 6 teams except SWYL (5) and SSL (7) so 7-1=6 and 5+1 = 6 . I did graduate from Dinuba so we might have to have another member check on that for us.

As I stated before, which you obviously didn't care to read. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Dinuba does not fear in the least competition in the EYL, and find it humorous that you imply such things. We are not trying to Sandbag (which quite a few teams are allowed to do),we are not HUGE considering the difference between us and the next largest school is 100 students or less.

I just take issue with the fact that traditions have to take a back seat to backroom politics (The rumors you heard) and predetermined agendas.

I guess I couldn't understand the irrational need to stay playing against CVC and Immanuel when you have 1900 students.

And...

High Desert- 5
South Sequoia- 7
South Yosemite- 6
South East Yosemite- 5
South West Yosemite- 6

Does that equal an odd number to you? Delano gives them 30 teams down there. I'm sure you just missed the High Desert League.

Never thought that Dinuba playing Exeter week 10 was much of a true "Rival" game...
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
I guess I couldn't understand the irrational need to stay playing against CVC and Immanuel when you have 1900 students.

Private schools out of the equation. It is pretty much the same difference 800+ students from Redwood and Hanford in the WYL as it is Dinuba and Exeter in the CSL. I get it you want the ugly stepchild that pees the bed (HW) out of your league, so that YOUR situation and needs are met, and so that WYL traditions are still well intact.
It's cool you feel that way, but at least come out and say it, and not bash us by pretending that somehow we are scared to join the EYL just because we want to keep our traditions.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
Private schools out of the equation. It is pretty much the same difference 800+ students from Redwood and Hanford in the WYL as it is Dinuba and Exeter in the CSL. I get it you want the ugly stepchild that pees the bed (HW) out of your league, so that YOUR situation and needs are met, and so that WYL traditions are still well intact.
It's cool you feel that way, but at least come out and say it, and not bash us by pretending that somehow we are scared to join the EYL just because we want to keep our traditions.

for my expreince     to your Eye  and Db   
I User to that   back home too   

When pacelli  is 300  Students and brookstone  275   Students  play  in Largest  Rleague with Greenville Avg 1700  Students and Manchester   ( Avg 1600  Student  but Georgia  make  changes have praivte  16 team Playoff and  Publis Playoff bracket    )   

I don't matter   if we CVC  play Largest school Like Selma and Exeter and  Kignsburg and Dinuba      Cvc sometime can handle with thems at time  Like JV  or varisty level      DB   

I have no Problem with Dinuba  but  when their Most have 2  of  CSL team Biggest OL and DL   and  Packed their sideline with Players    I sometime think Dinuba and Kingsburg and Selma need Move  on new Chapter      with new teams their can handle   with   

  I sometime for Dinuba    But  sometime  their need Move  on with Life  with traditaion   some  you got Do what best for your team compitation     Right guys  no matter  if  this Hurt ya     
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
I guess I couldn't understand the irrational need to stay playing against CVC and Immanuel when you have 1900 students.

And...

High Desert- 5
South Sequoia- 7
South Yosemite- 6
South East Yosemite- 5
South West Yosemite- 6

Does that equal an odd number to you? Delano gives them 30 teams down there. I'm sure you just missed the High Desert League.

Never thought that Dinuba playing Exeter week 10 was much of a true "Rival" game...

Wow, had to bring High Desert into the mix huh lol. A league with 6 teams ok. Come on Bud give it a rest already.
Like I said I get it.  The all mighty WYL will be taken care of , and we will have to suck it up and play in the BIG SCARY EYL. I am just speaking from a personal preference, and every argument that you have had for or against has been shot down. Because there is no logic other than to ensure the WYL has 6 teams.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
It's not like that. I'm simply stating what the CIF is going to do and that I actually think it makes the most sense for the entire section.

And as far the the Central Sequoia League traditions are concerned... give me a break.  No other league has changed as much as that league over the years.  If you want to talk about long-standing traditions, that league really doesn't have any when you try to compare it to other leagues in the area.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 12:17:47 PM
for my expreince     to your Eye  and Db   
I User to that   back home too   

When pacelli  is 300  Students and brookstone  275   Students  play  in Largest  Rleague with Greenville Avg 1700  Students and Manchester   ( Avg 1600  Student  but Georgia  make  changes have praivte  16 team Playoff and  Publis Playoff bracket    )   

I don't matter   if we CVC  play Largest school Like Selma and Exeter and  Kignsburg and Dinuba      Cvc sometime can handle with thems at time  Like JV  or varisty level      DB   

I have no Problem with Dinuba  but  when their Most have 2  of  CSL team Biggest OL and DL   and  Packed their sideline with Players    I sometime think Dinuba and Kingsburg and Selma need Move  on new Chapter      with new teams their can handle   with   

  I sometime for Dinuba    But  sometime  their need Move  on with Life  with traditaion   some  you got Do what best for your team compitation     Right guys  no matter  if  this Hurt ya   

Or maybe move CVC and Immanuel
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
It's not like that. I'm simply stating what the CIF is going to do and that I actually think it makes the most sense for the entire section.

And as far the the Central Sequoia League traditions are concerned... give me a break.  No other league has changed as much as that league over the years.  If you want to talk about long-standing traditions, that league really doesn't have any when you try to compare it to other leagues in the area.

I agree   Look   at  my Former 2 High school    their cant barley make schedule  to Play each  other after  70 years Rivarly game     like Jordan vs Columbus when their league fill with  8-9 school  in their league 


for Eye  I will be all for that    tho  then   Eye 
   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
Wow, had to bring High Desert into the mix huh lol. A league with 6 teams ok. Come on Bud give it a rest already.
Like I said I get it.  The all mighty WYL will be taken care of , and we will have to suck it up and play in the BIG SCARY EYL. I am just speaking from a personal preference, and every argument that you have had for or against has been shot down. Because there is no logic other than to ensure the WYL has 6 teams.

I didn't bring them into the mix, the CIF did. You act like I'm the one pulling the strings here man.  But on a personal level, yes, I do believe that the traditions of the WYL are far more important and long-standing than those in the CSL. The CSL has no Milk Can or Cowhide...  I guess the closest thing is Kingsburg vs. Selma?
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
It's not like that. I'm simply stating what the CIF is going to do and that I actually think it makes the most sense for the entire section.

And as far the the Central Sequoia League traditions are concerned... give me a break.  No other league has changed as much as that league over the years.  If you want to talk about long-standing traditions, that league really doesn't have any when you try to compare it to other leagues in the area.

Selma, Dinuba, and Kingsburg have been staples in the CSL. With the exception in the early 2000's when Dinuba fell on hard times. Not our fault we weren't the second high school built in California after BHS (joking but you get the point)
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:26:44 PM
As recent as 2004 or 2005 it wasn't even called the CSL... c'mon man!
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:20:10 PM
Or maybe move CVC and Immanuel

But we Know  this site will get mad   if CVc and Immanuel  spilt valley champs title   and  State title   in Division 5 or 6         Peoples will always complain why Immanuel and CVC    cant play with the Big boys 

Db   
I didn't bring them into the mix, the CIF did. You act like I'm the one pulling the strings here man.  But on a personal level, yes, I do believe that the traditions of the WYL are far more important and long-standing than those in the CSL. The CSL has no Milk Can or Cowhide...  I guess the closest thing is Kingsburg vs. Selma

CVc VS Immanuel for the Boot and Chowchilla vs CVC   for HWy 99  Sign  and BCHS Vs Cvc Milk tophic    But that go for Fall Season with all teams  play  in Fall    it  Winter and Spring trophic too   for BCHS VS CVC  games   

that the  only team  in CSl have trophixc       
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
I didn't bring them into the mix, the CIF did. You act like I'm the one pulling the strings here man.  But on a personal level, yes, I do believe that the traditions of the WYL are far more important and long-standing than those in the CSL. The CSL has no Milk Can or Cowhide...  I guess the closest thing is Kingsburg vs. Selma?

I agree, and I am not implying you are pulling the strings. Just a healthy conversation. Regardless of our enrollment it is still small town football, something you probably don't understand. Playing the neighboring small towns for bragging rights and pride instead of a can of milk or piece of leather means more to us than you could understand. Had Orosi not fallen on hard times the Dinuba/Orosi rivalry was the second longest running in the state at the time(2006 I believe it ended). Not understating how much those trophies mean to those young men, coaches, and communities, but ours means a lot to us too.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:26:44 PM
As recent as 2004 or 2005 it wasn't even called the CSL... c'mon man!
Then why do I have a plaque in my office that say 1998-99 CSL Champions.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:32:11 PM
I agree, and I am not implying you are pulling the strings. Just a healthy conversation. Regardless of our enrollment it is still small town football, something you probably don't understand. Playing the neighboring small towns for bragging rights and pride instead of a can of milk or piece of leather means more to us than you could understand. Had Orosi not fallen on hard times the Dinuba/Orosi rivalry was the second longest running in the state at the time(2006 I believe it ended). Not understating how much those trophies mean to those young men, coaches, and communities, but ours means a lot to us too.
eye  i can feeling your pain there 

it the same for Small town Like Barnerville ga and  Manchester    their just add new High school   in Manchester ga   this year   

I was part with small town with  1 one High school  that was Pheinx city ala   central  HS   

alots complain  from State of Alabama from High school Ad and Head coach why not central Play some the best football get rid play  Columbus ga schools  after dimaiting   thems every year  in 19050 to 1990s  when Central Decide cut  Rivarly against Columbus Schools  fr Football  game     it the same with Dinuba   and KHS and Selma     their can Play with everybody  No matter what that traditaion  be this past 10 year  or  8 years   ago   

it can be Orosi  VS Dunbua Rivarly game no matter how bad thems team  is that tradition    More      the coach or school Office   stop that rivalry game         the Players will get up for Rivarly game  like that   anyday   of the week    trust me
Just Like Dinuba vs Selma or KHS VS Dinuba  games     

Just think bout if was not Nomore CVc Vs Immanuel  or CVC Vs BCHS  Rivarly      it will break Both School Office Heart  apart     
But Life still go  on    trust me  if you Don't play teams for  9 years     in a row   
send  I move here Join cvc      Dinuba and KHS  and  Selma  have their up and down season But their be the king  of CSL   send 2008     few year  it be Dinuba year and KHS year  Selma  is very close be their year    too   

I but  CVC Fans and Immanuel fans would love  it  not play Dinuba and KHS and Selma and Exeter     anymore    I Like the challenge    it do Build up  Charcter and Stronger for CVC      No matter what their record  is   

it will be good Impact for Dinuba Move  in Huge way  for thems Compiation       play D2  team and League   

it can be the same with KHS and Selma     
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
Eye...

I'm having a hard time understanding the beef. Last time I checked there is nothing from keeping Dinuba from playing those teams. In a 6 team league you have 5 non league games to schedule whomever you choose. Exeter has played Woodlake going on 100 years...the league placement over that time span has shifted several times. None of your arguments hold any weight. FACT: Dinuba has 1800 plus student body and regardless of the sport has no business in the CSL anymore, and like I said Selma is pushing that way too. Rather than make a complete overhaul it's easier to make the small adjustments with as few teams as possible. That solution makes sense.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
Eye...

I'm having a hard time understanding the beef. Last time I checked there is nothing from keeping Dinuba from playing those teams. In a 6 team league you have 5 non league games to schedule whomever you choose. Exeter has played Woodlake going on 100 years...the league placement over that time span has shifted several times. None of your arguments hold any weight. FACT: Dinuba has 1800 plus student body and regardless of the sport has no business in the CSL anymore, and like I said Selma is pushing that way too. Rather than make a complete overhaul it's easier to make the small adjustments with as few teams as possible. That solution makes sense.
As I have stated it's a personal preference. I do not speak for the school, just one man's opinion.
By that logic  Hanford 1300+ or Mt. Whitney 1400+  and Redwood 2200 shouldn't be in the same league, but should schedule each other in week's 1-5.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 01:12:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:26:44 PM
As recent as 2004 or 2005 it wasn't even called the CSL... c'mon man!

Back to CVc and WYL       I would  love the challenge   go to WYl Play  Visalia  school    we maybe end up  Upset someone   

bc  it would Make Players as freshman  or soph   maybe want go CVC     

the same way      like my hometown  doing today  pacelli  and Brookstone their Play  their Local School   in Sports  you be Shock how Praivte school beat Local Publis  School with 1500  to 280  from praivte school   brookstone and pacelli     it happen when Jordan  990  beat pacelli 269    and 269 beat Jordan  990  Students     
you sometime  have to take the high risk  maybe  the Student   play JV  or Varslity  lever  How thems coaches doing at praivte school     

it not Recutier   it up to the kid  If his want go that praivte school  be starter  of be on bench   for 10  Games  too   

I see Kids from Praivte school  go Publis after Play each  other    or Publis Student go praivte school   it happen   it not Recuiter  it depend  who Coaches staff     treat thems Kids  from Freshman to Sr year  too  Db 

it the same with KHS and Dinuba  or Reedley   Most thems backup  go to Immanuel     
  sr Night  you will hear   the word   this play name  is _____ ____    his from Kingsburg Ca        his Sr today at Kingsburg     the Same with Dinuba Ca    and Reedley  and Visalia ca   


I will say to myself   how did Dinuba and KHS  and Exeter or Selma  Miss  out this player not for him travel so far     if their Play Immanuel    Just Like basketball team at Immanuel     Most thems  is 30  or 45 Min drive  where their Live at  sometime Bus will go that route get thems   

it not  Like Immanuel and CVC and other schools  in the valley have Bus service  like back home with praivte school     in Georgia  or Columbus ga       

it Different   Like pacelli and Brookstone   parents have to take thems from K - 10  grade  when their turn  16 to get Drive Lic     
think bout How much Impact  that be for CVC  play Local team  in Visalia ca    it be Huge for CVC    Future   
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
As I have stated it's a personal preference. I do not speak for the school, just one man's opinion.
By that logic  Hanford 1300+ or Mt. Whitney 1400+  and Redwood 2200 shouldn't be in the same league, but should schedule each other in week's 1-5.

we have no control  of thems numbers       Hanford beat Redwood and Mt Whitney  and sometime  Mt whitney  or Redwood upset Hanford      that  how  it go   in league when you have 1300 and Plsu  in one League   

pretty sure Dinuba be a good add to WYL too     
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 01:39:10 PM
Well, non of it may happen, there is also talk of just moving the start date back in our section. Game 0 would be the first week of school and non of the changes would be needed. The only for sure date is that the valley title games will now be played Thanksgiving. They may drop the 10 to play 10 rule they've been discussing.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 12:33:28 PM
Then why do I have a plaque in my office that say 1998-99 CSL Champions.

That only proves my point even more. You don't see the WYL changing names all the time.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 01:39:10 PM
Well, non of it may happen, there is also talk of just moving the start date back in our section. Game 0 would be the first week of school and non of the changes would be needed. The only for sure date is that the valley title games will now be played Thanksgiving. They may drop the 10 to play 10 rule they've been discussing.

Db  you know what    bring to my attention   you maybe agree with this   

I wonder if Central Section  and CIF    is Planning big Step  for Get rid   Valley champs Playoff and  just add Big State Playoff with 16 team Playoff    if  CIF and central section want start  football early  2nd  week of August     going start  Early  in 2017-18   school year   

it  could be Possible that what going  on 

I heard their still work  on Playoff for baseball       

Why Starter  early Football Season 2nd week august for game we have 4 week of August      the first game  of the season    Now  going back up 2 More week  in August in week 2  to start   our first game  of the season 

it something fishy  going  on with CIF   and central section want Start  practice begun  July and  have  2nd week   Preseason games  or scrimming  Start  3 week  in August 

that mean 7-7 passig league    for June  got be complete Done by end  of june to Rest the game   for 2day practice  or Open the Football Season for Full Prictice      1  or 2 week  of July     

that mean Praivte school  or Publis school  if their family  planning have acotaion  in July  just went down the sink ship    in July 

bc Most Familyalways take their vacotaion  in Middle  or 2nd week  of July   

that sound  like Alabama and ga and Florida doing now     

Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: The Eye in the Sky on October 14, 2016, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
That only proves my point even more. You don't see the WYL changing names all the time.

Come on Backer, we both know we are talking apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
All this hulabaloo for having to drive an extra 20 miles. Try being Coalinga, Taft, Tehachipi or Yosemite.
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: Glenn on October 14, 2016, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
All this hulabaloo for having to drive an extra 20 miles. Try being Coalinga, Taft, Tehachipi or Yosemite.

I feeling  ya   I did that 4 year ago at COS  Softball  team when their travel to Taft  Jr college  OMG  that was Long ride   LOL
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: bksflddan on October 14, 2016, 05:45:46 PM
Quote from: Darth Backer on October 14, 2016, 12:00:46 PM
I guess I couldn't understand the irrational need to stay playing against CVC and Immanuel when you have 1900 students.

And...

High Desert- 5


If I'm not mistaken Boron will move to CS as a member of HD next year ...
Title: Re: Central Section meeting of athletic directors This Morning
Post by: bksflddan on October 14, 2016, 05:49:58 PM
Quote from: MonarchPride on October 14, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
All this hulabaloo for having to drive an extra 20 miles. Try being Coalinga, Taft, Tehachipi or Yosemite.

Or Bishop!