Officials

[footballforever]

I agree with you RoadDawg. The game should have been over. No reason whatsoever that the game should have been allowed to continue. I would love to hear what their explanation would be.

Should the head of the officials in Tulare, Kings, Kern, etc be held accountable along with Critchlow?

Other than signing the contract with the officials association, Crichlow doesn't have any responsibility for the actions/competency of individuals or crews or officials. That is the purview of the presidents of the associations and the heads of the specific sports.
School officials should contact the assigner/head of officials for the sport with complaints or concerns. Video evidence is helpful.
The section office takes a role when an official issues an ejection. In those situations, the section office analyzes the circumstances to determine if a rule was misapplied or misinterpreted, or if a player was misidentified.

[RoadDawg]

... Video evidence is helpful. The section office takes a role when an official issues an ejection. In those situations, the section office analyzes the circumstances to determine if a rule was misapplied or misinterpreted, or if a player was misidentified.

In the SJM - Sunnyside game, the video clearly shows the SHS QB obviously fumbled on the last play, and there was absolutely no reason for another play to be granted.  Furthermore, without the refs stopping the game, SHS would not have had the time to get their FG unit on the field.  Nonetheless, even if the mistake is acknowledged it won't overturn the final score of the game, which is what matters.  It's just mind boggling how they can blow such easy calls. 

[footballforever]

In the SJM - Sunnyside game, the video clearly shows the SHS QB obviously fumbled on the last play, and there was absolutely no reason for another play to be granted.  Furthermore, without the refs stopping the game, SHS would not have had the time to get their FG unit on the field.  Nonetheless, even if the mistake is acknowledged it won't overturn the final score of the game, which is what matters.  It's just mind boggling how they can blow such easy calls.

Perhaps the handful of officials who are preps members can comment on how/whether video is used in the frequent officials training meetings to highlight both positive and negative examples of specific calls/rule applications. The SJVOA has almost weekly meetings of the various sports groups on my school site.
Is PigIron still around? I seem to recall him writing several years ago that he was a football official....

[Tuhs97]

The refs totally blew the end of the SJM - Sunnyside game.   Sunnyside had the ball, no time outs, and the clock was running with under 10 seconds to play.  SHS hustled to the line, where their QB fumbled the snap and dove on the ball, while the clock ran out.  Game over right... wrong, the refs convened for some unknown reason, then put 2 seconds back on the clock and allowed SHS a FG attempt, which they made to win the game with no time on the clock.

I know, you shouldn't be in a position to let the refs determine the game, but there is still no reason I can think of why SHS should have been allowed another play, when the game was technically over. 

Without seeing the play, my only explanation would be the refs got together and said he was spiking the ball to stop the clock, but with your explanation should of been game over. You never know with some refs..

[RoadDawg]

Without seeing the play, my only explanation would be the refs got together and said he was spiking the ball to stop the clock, but with your explanation should of been game over. You never know with some refs..

Thats what we thought too... but it was clearly a fumble during the exchange, and the white hat gave the "start the clock" sign after he reset the ball, which he would not do if it had been ruled an incomplete pass.  Unexplainable error...

[goodref]

Perhaps the handful of officials who are preps members can comment on how/whether video is used in the frequent officials training meetings to highlight both positive and negative examples of specific calls/rule applications. The SJVOA has almost weekly meetings of the various sports groups on my school site.
Is PigIron still around? I seem to recall him writing several years ago that he was a football official....

hi guys. Yes, we do use various training videos, as well as HUDL for reviewing both the good and the bad. this is relatively new and seems very promising. BUT, there will always be officials who just don't want to improve and a continued lack of interested prospects.

[TeddyKGB]

If I may offer this up and guys that are refs can correct me if I am wrong it seems to me that the reason official are "questionable" is due to lack of experience and that comes from having to move to the faster varsity games too soon because of a lack of officials. If I recall officials start at the youth levels and move up as they improve/gather experience; I have witnessed parents and coaches at the youth (GEYF, NOR and Jack Frost) be merciless to rookie officials so it comes as no surprises that guys are not wanting to keep doing it. Again, that's just what I have noticed.

[Glenn]

I agree with you RoadDawg. The game should have been over. No reason whatsoever that the game should have been allowed to continue. I would love to hear what their explanation would be.

Should the head of the officials in Tulare, Kings, Kern, etc be held accountable along with Critchlow?

let me Explain   my Opioion  here 

I was born and riase  in 2 Different State   Alabama    is  1 Behind  Georgia    and Georgia     from California 3 behind to Georgia 

when  I was grew up   all the game  in Alabama will Start  at  8     
here a sample  if  Georgia team   play  in Alabama for High school  Football   on weekend their Start  at  8  Alabama Time  not Georgia Time   

all the games  start  at 7:30  in Georgia   always Over by 9:15  or  9:45  between thems Hours  9:15 to 9:45   pm at nights 

I would walk  in my Home by 10:30     or 1 am   if  I am asst coach  or Films games  bc  I Upload all the films   from varisty press box   

but  Nomal fan will be home after a game end  if their don't pick up their Son  or Band member   or  cheerleader    from School 

in the old day  all Students have to ride the bus back to School for Safe reason    not from Football Staduim

If you played  out  of town  here smaple   all games start  7:30    if you play  in your Own state      it depend  on  how far the trip from Town to bakerfield Ca  or Fresno ca    it always take  60  in car  ride back to town  or  1:25   it depend  on traffic    on HWY   and shorts hwy     

But  many game  start  at 7:15  or 7:30      is good but  if  it is 50 penalty   until 11  or 12     when the game end  thems Offical  need rethink call the game  if a team have to Traffic back   to their own town and school for pick up Students   

it  ok have 20 penalty   but    the game  go on  long too   until 10:00   that Namal  if you play close game but  or   it not good  if you Blew  out a team by 25       or more   their still call Penilty    on both team 

Most the Offical want get  out there  bc their Offical JV and varisty game  one night   but    Offical want fair game call everything   

Like 2 week ago CVC play Chowchilla  we was over by 10:00  that nomal  in close game         

[Glenn]

Other than signing the contract with the officials association, Crichlow doesn't have any responsibility for the actions/competency of individuals or crews or officials. That is the purview of the presidents of the associations and the heads of the specific sports.
School officials should contact the assigner/head of officials for the sport with complaints or concerns. Video evidence is helpful.
The section office takes a role when an official issues an ejection. In those situations, the section office analyzes the circumstances to determine if a rule was misapplied or misinterpreted, or if a player was misidentified.

but you have to talk who  in Charge for  officials association   Request    who you wat and who you don't wont    Doing your home game 

[DTFan]

What I've noticed is that if schools request to not have certain officials, and they have a valid reason and complaints to back it up, those schools will get THE worse of the worse of crews sent to them. I've seen it happen numerous times.

[footballforever]

What I've noticed is that if schools request to not have certain officials, and they have a valid reason and complaints to back it up, those schools will get THE worse of the worse of crews sent to them. I've seen it happen numerous times.

I posit that is not the norm. I have blocked a few officials for various sports over the years and I do not see a correlation between blocking certain guys and getting less competent officials as a result.

[Forceuser]

I posit that is not the norm. I have blocked a few officials for various sports over the years and I do not see a correlation between blocking certain guys and getting less competent officials as a result.

I agree, I send stuff to them on hudl all the time.  As long as you are not a compete A-hole to them, most of them are good guys.  You do have your bad apples like you have in any profession.  We as coaches have to remember that just like refs and their reputation, you as a coach get one too.  They have meetings too, and they discuss games and coaches.  I know I am not perfect and I let them know when I feel they are wrong, and I admit if I am wrong.  But at the end of the day, we are all human, and we are going to make mistakes.  It's not like the Refs are sitting on the sidelines going...."Coach....that was a horrible call.  What are you blind?  They are in a cover 2 and you are trying to throw outside hitches." 

[footballforever]

It's not like the Refs are sitting on the sidelines going...."Coach....that was a horrible call.  What are you blind?  They are in a cover 2 and you are trying to throw outside hitches."

yeah, we have parents and Prepsters for that

[TeddyKGB]

yeah, we have parents and Prepsters for that

you do understand that critiquing the calls is part of the appeal of watching sports?

[footballforever]

you do understand that critiquing the calls is part of the appeal of watching sports?

I also understand that "critiquing" each other is another part of the appeal of watching/engaging this site.
I should have used the tongue in cheek symbol. I believe there was a thread a few years ago that discussed the best way to indicate sarcasm, half-joking and ironic comments and the consensus was to use that emoji, but I was away from the site for a couple years so it may not be the practice anymore.

[DarthVeer]

What I've noticed is that if schools request to not have certain officials, and they have a valid reason and complaints to back it up, those schools will get THE worse of the worse of crews sent to them. I've seen it happen numerous times.

not necessarily true. We blacklisted a guy for 6 years in Corcoran. Got decent guys during that time. After being gone from the central valley for a couple of years I am very appreciative of the officiating we got. It was never perfect and there was always a little bias but at least you could talk to Phil Lazzano and have a conversation about issues. Where I am now there is no avenue for a conversation or even a complaint. These officials are unchecked and have amazing biases. I have had officials make calls from 50 yards away and on the opposite side of the field. In a playoff game I saw officials discount a TD where the kid makes a great catch and the official was shielded by the defender from seeing it. the home team was on defense so boom it was incomplete. Later in that game the home team misses a field goal the official calls roughing the center call. allows the home team to run off 2 more mins of time and re try the kick. I was in shock of what they doing and how it seems to be business as usual. Make me really appreciate the guys who worked my games for years in Corcoran.

[DarthVeer]