Strange by-product of the current playoff system

[Bud Kilmer]

what constitutes an A or B school?

I've been looking for further details on that exact question. The post came last night.

Again, I think it will be subjective decision making unfortunately. Strength of League needs to be a factor imo.

My 2 cents: Based off last years base division placement

All D 1&2 Schools from last years base divisions should be labeled as "A schools". That's 27 teams (correct me if I'm wrong). We need to get back to under .500 can't go to playoffs and fill the brackets up.
All D 3&4 are your "B and C" schools
All D 5&6 are your "lower C and D (because we have six divisions)"

I'm sure there are flaws to this, but what we have now sucks and CIF needs to put some parameters that allow for consequences to a S**t Season

[izne1home]

We need to get back to under .500 can't go to playoffs and fill the brackets up.

CIF needs to put some parameters that allow for consequences to a S**t Season

Bud Kilmer for President!

[TeddyKGB]

I agree with Bud but when in the history of the CIF has the CIF done anything that makes sense? The reality is parents, coaches, kids and school admin want to be able to say that their kids/team when to the playoffs and won a "championship" even if that is a D4 or 5.

[Lancelot]

First and second place team per conference make playoffs, this makes league games important.
the teams that don't qualify are scheduled a bowl game.   

[Bud Kilmer]

I agree with Bud but when in the history of the CIF has the CIF done anything that makes sense? The reality is parents, coaches, kids and school admin want to be able to say that their kids/team when to the playoffs and won a "championship" even if that is a D4 or 5.

Bingo.. and if you look at major campuses across the nation, you'll see the result of this farce.

[Cristobal]

First and second place team per conference make playoffs, this makes league games important.
the teams that don't qualify are scheduled a bowl game.   

I thinks this could work, in College the reason it fails is the no one cares about the result but this gives parents and kids a chance to go out "on top". Gives booster and parents the opportunity to put their fingers prints all over it which is what they truly want. Plenty of time for look at me moments for all involved. Us old heads can ignore it and act like the games do not even exists or squeeze in one more tailgate. Win, win!

[Darth Backer]

First and second place team per conference make playoffs, this makes league games important.
the teams that don't qualify are scheduled a bowl game.   

This is the root of our problem. Once leagues began to have teams from multiple divisions, this is when our issues started.

[Bronco]

Then don't have teams from different levels in the same conference  - make all conferences be  made of the same division & make the divisions up BEFORE the season - not after. 

[DonnieBaker1962]

The general rule used to be... If a team wins valley a couple years in a row they get bumped up. If a team never makes playoffs and or never wins playoff games they get dropped down. This system rewarded well run programs. The only teams the benefit from the current disaster is the underperformers.

[Darth Backer]

Then don't have teams from different levels in the same conference  - make all conferences be  made of the same division & make the divisions up BEFORE the season - not after. 

There's a lot of long-standing week 10 rival games that have teams from seperate divisions... not the primary issue but part of it. There's also a proximity component when building most leagues.

[TeddyKGB]

The general rule used to be... If a team wins valley a couple years in a row they get bumped up.

I never understood this its seems like: you're doing too good lets put you up so someone else has a chance to win.

[Bud Kilmer]

I never understood this its seems like: you're doing too good lets put you up so someone else has a chance to win.

Agreed. Punish good teams for being good and rewarding bad teams by watering down their competition.

[DonnieBaker1962]

Agreed. Punish good teams for being good and rewarding bad teams by watering down their competition.

Yes, but at least in that system it allowed teams to win a couple titles. Now if they do well they just bump them up to get smoked.

[Bud Kilmer]

The simple fix is to stop letting teams drop a division. Brackets are botched because mediocre schools/administrators feel entitled to playoffs so they fight to go down a division because they can't win it all. If you don't fit into the playoff picture in your division well better luck next year.

Again, this is never going to happen, but sure would be nice.

[RayRea]

They also need to boost win totals to make the playoffs.  I think you only need to win 3 games to be eligible for the playoffs.  I think at the minimum it should be 5.   Very similar to college where you have to win 6 games to be bowl eligible.   This would help eliminate a good percentage of the teams that fill out the bottom of most of the brackets. 

[TeddyKGB]

I think a minimum of 5 is generous, but I can see a team scheduling a grueling nonleague schedule that does deserve to be in the playoffs. I would say a minimum of .600 or 2nd place in their league.

[Darth Backer]

I think a minimum of 5 is generous, but I can see a team scheduling a grueling nonleague schedule that does deserve to be in the playoffs. I would say a minimum of .600 or 2nd place in their league.

League placement doesn't make any sense...

[Bud Kilmer]

To all three points, if you stop schools from dropping divisions, you'll naturally fill up each division bracket with the best teams. A full bracket is 16 teams. Typically, there are and should be 16 teams in each division that is .500 or better (Divisions 1-4 at least).

[CWClassof2007]

According to the CIF website here's how many schools there are in each section:

Central 101
Oakland 20
Central Coast 143
Sac-Joaquin 198
LA City 128
San Diego 124
North Coast 169
San Francisco 15
Northern 70
Southern 556

Why does the Central Section have 6 divisions in football when the Central Coast & San Diego have 5? The Sac-Joaquin & North Coast have 7 which seems like a lot for them too.

[TeddyKGB]

Why does the Central Section have 6 divisions in football when the Central Coast & San Diego have 5? The Sac-Joaquin & North Coast have 7 which seems like a lot for them too.

Does the CIF allow each section to determine how many divisions they will have? Because from what CWclass is saying it seems that there is no rhyme or reason for the number of Divisions per section

[TeddyKGB]