With the new school opening in 2025. How do you think it will affect all the other CUSD schools? What is the mascot of the high school and colors?
IMO I think it will take from what East is trying to build and create. I also believe it is going to pull from Sanger
I've been thinking the same thing. There isn't a sudden influx of 2500 new students and athletes, so the ripple effect will hit Clovis High as well. Probably beyond...
It will take some time for the system to stabilize. I'm sure the City of Clovis is approving plans and issuing building permits in that area like mad.
first year is a frosh class only right? I am assuming they will be in the TRAC by 2027 which will then push Central out since they have everything branded as the TRAC 6, Unless they keep Central in there and add Garza cause of the same area of basically all the schools
Yes, they will ramp up but CUSD has to prime the pump at the elementary school level while the infill to happen.
In my opinion, this would be a great chance to offload Central Unified and create an all CUSD conference.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/education-lab/article288701460.html
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2024, 11:07:28 AMYes, they will ramp up but CUSD has to prime the pump at the elementary school level while the infill to happen.
In my opinion, this would be a great chance to offload Central Unified and create an all CUSD conference.
I agree with you on this one. I am curious to see where they will then put Central. Besides the TRAC there aren't too many other conferences that will be able to compete with them. CMAC? I don't think Sanger can pull it off and all the other schools aren't very good.
So CUSD has adopted Texas Longhorns color and mascot for the new school?
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 28, 2024, 11:25:49 AMSo CUSD has adopted Texas Longhorns color and mascot for the new school?
People in Clovis so badly want Clovis to be in Texas that this was as close as they could get.
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 28, 2024, 10:19:15 AMfirst year is a frosh class only right? I am assuming they will be in the TRAC by 2027 which will then push Central out since they have everything branded as the TRAC 6, Unless they keep Central in there and add Garza cause of the same area of basically all the schools
Hearing they are thinking bigger now and considering the "TRAC 10" (like the old PAC 10, lol) by adding Sanger, Sanger West, and Garza in 2027.....
Quote from: tru guru on May 28, 2024, 12:03:14 PMHearing they are thinking bigger now and considering the "TRAC 10" (like the old PAC 10, lol) by adding Sanger, Sanger West, and Garza in 2027.....
I Like that I dont know about Sanger West but why not SunnySide? I know at one point and time Coach Wood wanted to play all the Clovis schools. Why not put them:
TRAC East
Clovis
Clovis West
Clovis East
Clovis North
Clovis South
Buchanan
TBD: Clovis Central lol
TRAC West (I know Sanger doesnt fit as a TRAC west but you get it lol
Central
Garza
Sanger
SunnySide
Bullard
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 28, 2024, 11:18:28 AMI agree with you on this one. I am curious to see where they will then put Central. Besides the TRAC there aren't too many other conferences that will be able to compete with them.
The transfer portal will take care of itself. Once Central loses its mojo, it will settle in as a strong CMAC contender.
Quote from: Timmy Winn on May 28, 2024, 11:57:55 AMPeople in Clovis so badly want Clovis to be in Texas that this was as close as they could get.
I am not surprised and that is terrible!!!
So we have a Bear, Cougar, Bronco, Eagle, Timberwolf and a Longhorn
Quote from: tru guru on May 28, 2024, 12:03:14 PMHearing they are thinking bigger now and considering the "TRAC 10" (like the old PAC 10, lol) by adding Sanger, Sanger West, and Garza in 2027.....
Interesting. If that happens, does that seal Fresno Unified's irrelevance? Do they make a NYL with just Fresno Unified teams to toil in obscurity?
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2024, 12:35:42 PMThe transfer portal will take care of itself. Once Central loses its mojo, it will settle in as a strong CMAC contender.
You think so? Seems like they will get all of them now with all the new development going on in the Central area and Edison being down bad. Lastly what school will the Fresno kids want to attend other than Central. Seeing how well their Football and Track teams are. I dont see them losing kids but getting more with how big that growth is going on that side of town. It is bigger than Clovis right now
Quote from: ExCoach on May 28, 2024, 12:37:15 PMInteresting. If that happens, does that seal Fresno Unified's irrelevance? Do they make a NYL with just Fresno Unified teams to toil in obscurity?
I think so..... Now you can keep
Madera, Madera South, Torres, Mclane, Hoover, Fresno, Roosevelt, Edison all in one and even throw Liberty of Madera in there
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 28, 2024, 12:38:40 PMYou think so? Seems like they will get all of them now with all the new development going on in the Central area and Edison being down bad. Lastly what school will the Fresno kids want to attend other than Central. Seeing how well their Football and Track teams are. I dont see them losing kids but getting more with how big that growth is going on that side of town. It is bigger than Clovis right now
Just wishful thinking... I'd love to see the transfers clamped down. It's the only chance the CMAC has. If West Fresno continues growing, Central will build another school and further dilute the talent. We will see where Central Unified is when they get up to six high schools. My money is nowhere near CUSD.
PS: The old NYL in the 60s and 70s were the glory days.
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2024, 12:55:18 PMJust wishful thinking... I'd love to see the transfers clamped down. It's the only chance the CMAC has. If West Fresno continues growing, Central will build another school and further dilute the talent. We will see where Central Unified is when they get up to six high schools. My money is nowhere near CUSD.
PS: The old NYL in the 60s and 70s were the glory days.
I agree with you, The only problem is they aren't going to build another school as fast as Clovis are building them and they other problem is even with Garza the really good athletes still go to Central. I am only making this statement because even when looking up the enrollment and incoming frosh. Garza population is larger however Central sports programs are bigger still. So I think for it to even out Central is going to have to fall on hard times and Garza starts to beat them. Looking at Garza schedule this year..... They play Central week 1. This is a big game for recruitment purposes. It is also hard when you have Worthy, Johnson, and Hunter all big time players still repping Central and helping them.
This, and almost every other problem we discuss, stems from allowing athletes to choose their teams. I'm surprised that a room full of grown men could make such a fundamental error.
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2024, 02:01:24 PMThis, and almost every other problem we discuss, stems from allowing athletes to choose their teams. I'm surprised that a room full of grown men could make such a fundamental error.
Agree!!!! Would love to see what schools look like with everyone playing for their neighborhood.
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 28, 2024, 12:32:51 PMI Like that I dont know about Sanger West but why not SunnySide? I know at one point and time Coach Wood wanted to play all the Clovis schools. Why not put them:
TRAC East
Clovis
Clovis West
Clovis East
Clovis North
Clovis South
Buchanan
TBD: Clovis Central lol
TRAC West (I know Sanger doesnt fit as a TRAC west but you get it lol
Central
Garza
Sanger
SunnySide
Bullard
Sanger and Central Unified are much smaller and better run school districts than FUSD. Less headaches in a LOT of ways being league-aligned with these two rather than the boondoggle that is Fresno Unified. Clovis Unified has always believed that kids can step up when challenged. Their opinion is that the new districts will step up their game competitively once annexed into the TRAC. They want nothing to do with FUSD and feel they are too far gone in policy and practice to compete either academically or athletically in a structure such as this new league.
Bullard was always looking for a seat at the TRAC table, but this would seal its fate.
Bullard is like Poland after WWII. They battled hard for their freedom, but in the end, their friends turned away and they succumbed to their captors.
(Sorry, I watched too many Memorial Day WWII documentaries yesterday.)
Quote from: izne1home on May 28, 2024, 04:10:11 PMBullard was always looking for a seat at the TRAC table, but this would seal its fate.
Bullard is like Poland after WWII. They battled hard for their freedom, but in the end, their friends turned away and they succumbed to their captors.
(Sorry, I watched too many Memorial Day WWII documentaries yesterday.)
I don't know if there's a way to work it into your analogy, but Bullard people tried hard to get out of FUSD over the last 10-15 years (go charter/create their own district or split FUSD down the middle) and they weren't able to, which now has them on the precipice. Which I'm sure you were aware of.
Anyone else read in that piece where CUSD considered "Knights" as the new school's nickname? I would have been incensed had that been the choice - how do you even broach the idea of naming a school the same as another long-established school just a few miles across the area?
Quote from: knightsrule04 on May 28, 2024, 05:45:24 PMAnyone else read in that piece where CUSD considered "Knights" as the new school's nickname? I would have been incensed had that been the choice - how do you even broach the idea of naming a school the same as another long-established school just a few miles across the area?
That's probably why they didn't do it but it's crazy that it wasn't even considered.
Quote from: Timmy Winn on May 28, 2024, 11:57:55 AMPeople in Clovis so badly want Clovis to be in Texas that this was as close as they could get.
sounds like the people in Rosedale here, they so badly want to be the Duttons.
well Bullard looks just like the rest of the Fresno schools now. Arax was at least doing his best to keep them a float. I bet Franklin will be gone after his son graduates. Hope I am wrong
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 29, 2024, 11:17:18 AMwell Bullard looks just like the rest of the Fresno schools now. Arax was at least doing his best to keep them a float. I bet Franklin will be gone after his son graduates. Hope I am wrong
I never thought I'd live to see the day...
CUSD should pay attention to the rise and fall of FUSD. That cancer is spreading.
Quote from: izne1home on May 29, 2024, 12:34:08 PMI never thought I'd live to see the day...
CUSD should pay attention to the rise and fall of FUSD. That cancer is spreading.
So long as liberalism doesn't infiltrate the heads of the district and common sense prevails, which doesn't seem likely.
Can we start discussions on who will be the first head coach at Clovis South? I would imagine they fly the job sometime during the fall.
Odds are:
-someone how has been a HC before with a good track record either in CUSD/against CUSD/or bigger schools
-someone who is a teacher or credentialed. Off campus coach is possibility, but for rare occasions.
Wildcard:
-out of section hire
should we name names??
Rich Hammond comes to mind, not sure if that bridge is burnt though.
Quote from: Cristobal on May 30, 2024, 12:04:03 PMRich Hammond comes to mind, not sure if that bridge is burnt though.
It is not burned on the CUSD end. I've actually been told this was the plan all along.
Quote from: tru guru on May 30, 2024, 12:09:10 PMIt is not burned on the CUSD end. I've actually been told this was the plan all along.
So they don't want Clovis South to ever win a VC? Got it!
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 30, 2024, 12:26:39 PMSo they don't want Clovis South to ever win a VC? Got it!
The same was said by many when Jacot took over at CN after a failed stint at another Clovis school. And look what happened......how many VC's does CE have since Murphy left? Do you feel the same about their previous/current HC's? Or is this just specific to Rich? Just curious.
Quote from: tru guru on May 30, 2024, 12:40:43 PMThe same was said by many when Jacot took over at CN after a failed stint at another Clovis school. And look what happened......how many VC's does CE have since Murphy left? Do you feel the same about their previous/current HC's? Or is this just specific to Rich? Just curious.
I worked with Coach Hammond one year during the City County game and came away with a lot of admiration. I saw a few others who weren't quite as impressive. A good coach familiar with CUSD is critical at a new school, especially during the initial development years. The district would be foolish to go outside.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 30, 2024, 11:35:40 AMSo long as liberalism doesn't infiltrate the heads of the district and common sense prevails, which doesn't seem likely.
It is insidious and entraps the uninformed. You must know it when you see it and be prepared to nip it in the bud.
Don't kill the messenger; take it up with God. He hates liberals. Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death.
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Names that come to mind for me
Rich Hammond (ex HC and Clovis ties)
Nast from Garza (Clovis ties and help start up Garza so knows what it takes)
Kyle Biggs (Clovis ties)
Casey Quinn heard he's been roaming around the CUSD campuses
Randell (CUSD ties)
Petressian (Clovis ties, Also one of the coaches to help start up Garza)
Branstetter (before going to North with Jacot he was looking to be a head coach)
Budd (Clovis ties and came in looking for a HC job)
All these coaches are credentialed
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 30, 2024, 11:35:40 AMSo long as liberalism doesn't infiltrate the heads of the district and common sense prevails, which doesn't seem likely.
The fact that there are CSUD schools that have been in D2 playoffs and more high schools are being built should tell you that the liberal mind set is already inside, it may still be in the incubation state but its there. One day CUSD will change this: "Our efforts are focused on the creation of a
quality judgement-free educational system that meets
the academic, physical and the social needs of
our nonbinary and cis students and inspires them on to being in touch with their feelings
greater success."
Quinn? That guy doesn't stay anywhere more than a season or two
Quote from: TeddyKGB on May 30, 2024, 02:15:17 PMThe fact that there are CSUD schools that have been in D2 playoffs and more high schools are being built should tell you that the liberal mind set is already inside, it may still be in the incubation state but its there. One day CUSD will change this: "Our efforts are focused on the creation of a quality judgement-free educational system that meets the academic, physical and the social needs of our nonbinary and cis students and inspires them on to being in touch with their feelings greater success."
Quinn? That guy doesn't stay anywhere more than a season or two
Agree, I dont think it will be a good hire because of that but I am naming coaches that had ties with Clovis and I believe would want to be a Head coach
I personally like what Jacot is doing out there. Its not flashy but affective lol
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 30, 2024, 02:20:11 PMI personally like what Jacot is doing out there. Its not flashy but affective lol
I like what he's doing at CN, but he was hated at his previous CUSD gig......
I like Hammond starting a program from the ground up. If I had to throw a wildcard out there, I would say Pancotti from McLane. Clovis ties, young, has done good things at a tough school to do good things at....
Quote from: hardhitter23 on May 30, 2024, 02:12:57 PMNames that come to mind for me
Rich Hammond (ex HC and Clovis ties)
Nast from Garza (Clovis ties and help start up Garza so knows what it takes)
Kyle Biggs (Clovis ties)
Casey Quinn heard he's been roaming around the CUSD campuses
Randell (CUSD ties)
Petressian (Clovis ties, Also one of the coaches to help start up Garza)
Branstetter (before going to North with Jacot he was looking to be a head coach)
Budd (Clovis ties and came in looking for a HC job)
All these coaches are credentialed
I like Branstetter. He was building a strong program at Roosevelt. His offense and Jacot's strength and conditioning program are a great combination. He has had success at the high school level.
Hammond would also be good. Even though he didn't win a valley championship, he has had success at the D1 level.
Quote from: tru guru on May 30, 2024, 02:44:54 PMI like what he's doing at CN, but he was hated at his previous CUSD gig......
I like Hammond starting a program from the ground up. If I had to throw a wildcard out there, I would say Pancotti from McLane. Clovis ties, young, has done good things at a tough school to do good things at....
Didnt even think about that one! That's a great name drop
They can have an emergency credential and working towards the credential
Yea, I am aware of that. I knew Ironman likes to talk out of turn so I was calling him on it lol. That's all a little trolling
Quote from: tru guru on May 30, 2024, 12:40:43 PMThe same was said by many when Jacot took over at CN after a failed stint at another Clovis school. And look what happened......how many VC's does CE have since Murphy left? Do you feel the same about their previous/current HC's? Or is this just specific to Rich? Just curious.
What does Jacot have to do with my statement above? But let's break that down shall we...
Jacot didn't fail at Buchanan, he would've won there just like he did at North this past season. Jacot was forced into hiring Giordano because he was a former player. The school and the district made the ultimate decision. Jacot left after having a winning season, so you really think he resigned on his own or forced out? CUSD gave him a sweet deal with classes at Clovis East where the HCs/Director of Sports were in charge of the classes and he just ran the weight programs. He didn't have classes yet still payed. Also, he had no interest in North in the beginning but the offer for him was too good to pass up. Yes it took time to get going and had to reestablish the weight room, but now you're seeing it pay off, just like during his time at Buchanan.
As for East, their former admin DID NOT CARE ABOUT SPORTS, after Murphy left. Yes the talent pool was bad but they put little effort into supporting sports so no one was going to survive, specifically the big 3 mainly. When Reynolds took over, the admin semi-cared. They helped but there is a reason Reynolds stepped down and it did have to do with admin, the AD, and specifically the baseball coach crying and trying to get kids to quit football to focus on baseball and the admin and AD not putting their foot down with the whiny baseball coach, Ryan Smith. For Nagle, 1) he's inherited talent that hasn't been seen at East since 2009 2) this admin has far been better in helping athletics - so much to the point where they support the coaches recruiting efforts (go check out Josh Lopez's recruiting pitch in Buchanan/Transfers thread)
As for Hammond? What did he accomplish at Clovis? One VC appearance in what 12-13 years coaching at Clovis? He's had great teams and they all choked in playoffs when seeded high. His last team had an elite 11 QB (you can debate that but that's what he was after the camp ended) and to get smashed by Liberty??? The Hammond hype is way overblown and he's an average coach. He got away with talent early on but still didn't win. Jacot at least won a VC, more than Hammond ever has.
I think everyone needs to pump the brakes on the Hammond to South talk.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 30, 2024, 03:48:38 PMI think everyone needs to pump the brakes on the Hammond to South talk.
I understand your point, but I don't think taking South to a VC game in the first several years is one of the job descriptions. Building a solid program, pushing kids out of their comfort zones, instilling discipline and respect, training the parents to keep their mouths shut..., those are the things a new program needs.
Come to think of it, CUSD should call Hartigan. He's an empty nester and might sign another 4-year contract. He's got years of experience with transfers. If JH isn't available, swing for the fence and call Murphy.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 30, 2024, 03:48:38 PMWhat does Jacot have to do with my statement above? But let's break that down shall we...
Jacot didn't fail at Buchanan, he would've won there just like he did at North this past season. Jacot was forced into hiring Giordano because he was a former player. The school and the district made the ultimate decision. Jacot left after having a winning season, so you really think he resigned on his own or forced out? CUSD gave him a sweet deal with classes at Clovis East where the HCs/Director of Sports were in charge of the classes and he just ran the weight programs. He didn't have classes yet still payed. Also, he had no interest in North in the beginning but the offer for him was too good to pass up. Yes it took time to get going and had to reestablish the weight room, but now you're seeing it pay off, just like during his time at Buchanan.
As for East, their former admin DID NOT CARE ABOUT SPORTS, after Murphy left. Yes the talent pool was bad but they put little effort into supporting sports so no one was going to survive, specifically the big 3 mainly. When Reynolds took over, the admin semi-cared. They helped but there is a reason Reynolds stepped down and it did have to do with admin, the AD, and specifically the baseball coach crying and trying to get kids to quit football to focus on baseball and the admin and AD not putting their foot down with the whiny baseball coach, Ryan Smith. For Nagle, 1) he's inherited talent that hasn't been seen at East since 2009 2) this admin has far been better in helping athletics - so much to the point where they support the coaches recruiting efforts (go check out Josh Lopez's recruiting pitch in Buchanan/Transfers thread)
As for Hammond? What did he accomplish at Clovis? One VC appearance in what 12-13 years coaching at Clovis? He's had great teams and they all choked in playoffs when seeded high. His last team had an elite 11 QB (you can debate that but that's what he was after the camp ended) and to get smashed by Liberty??? The Hammond hype is way overblown and he's an average coach. He got away with talent early on but still didn't win. Jacot at least won a VC, more than Hammond ever has.
I think everyone needs to pump the brakes on the Hammond to South talk.
What does it have to do with Jacot? Let's see.....Jacot was 11-24 at Buchanan and was removed for Giordano. He resurfaces years later at CN and wins a VC. My point was that if Jacot couldn't win at Buchanan but wins at another CUSD school why is it so far fetched to think Hammond couldn't do the same? You answered that. You think Hammond sucks. Thanks for your candor.
The "offer" for Jacot at CN was too good to pass up? The dude was an afterthought. He was the emergency hire because Mason Hughes literally changed his mind while driving home to Visalia after accepting the job. I'm sure the deal was great because at that point they needed a body with HC experience. Don't paint it as something iot wasn't.
You defend CE and Reynolds/Nagle because of poor AD and admin. Perhaps that was the case at Clovis as well? Other than the State baseball title in 2014 what boy's sport was Clovis a champion at during Hammond's time there? Water Polo? Maybe wrestling? It sure as heck wasn't hoops. I'd argue that they didn't have as much "talent" as they did over hyped former youth football phenoms. Tough kids, but zero speed and very little athleticism over all.
Jacot was removed for a former player, yes that did happen but not because he failed but because Girodano is alumni and went pro. That increases views to their school. Jacot easily would've had success and would've won, just like he did at North. We all know the old nickname for Buchanan was "the gummy bears." Believe it or not, it does take time to build toughness into a program where toughness was not in their DNA and Girodano reaped the benefits of that, along with an influx of talent.
The different between Jacot vs Hammond is weight room and Jacot maximizes it better than any coach in the valley. I don't hate Hammond at all, I just look at the facts. 0 VC's in his tenure with better talent Jacot has had yet Jacot won a chip this year. Hammond will never win a VC because, outside of scripting his first 15 plays, he hasn't shown the ability to actually adjust after his first 15, I know this because I coached against him and watched lots of him on his teams. You sure like to defend Hammond, who didn't have early success, then had a good run although didn't win a VC, yet want to criticize Jacot who had admin against him once Giordano wanted to coach. Hammond never had to deal with that until later on into his tenure.
Yes Jacot was "offered" too much to pass up and I can tell you Jacot was offered before Hughes was offered and I have direct knowledge of that. Hence why North came back to Jacot and gave him everything he wanted and needed and much more, which then he accepted.
How can you defend Hammond when he chocked in the playoffs as high seeds??? How can you not have talent and make it to a VC game and be seeded high??? You must Hammond a lot to be defending him like this, your bias is clearly showing dude.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 31, 2024, 01:16:05 PMThe different between Jacot vs Hammond is weight room and Jacot maximizes it better than any coach in the valley.
that is a pretty bold statement, I would say that Pierucci, Golla and Nixion have as good as one's strength & Conditioning programs.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on May 31, 2024, 01:16:05 PMJacot was removed for a former player, yes that did happen but not because he failed but because Girodano is alumni and went pro. That increases views to their school. Jacot easily would've had success and would've won, just like he did at North. We all know the old nickname for Buchanan was "the gummy bears." Believe it or not, it does take time to build toughness into a program where toughness was not in their DNA and Girodano reaped the benefits of that, along with an influx of talent.
The different between Jacot vs Hammond is weight room and Jacot maximizes it better than any coach in the valley. I don't hate Hammond at all, I just look at the facts. 0 VC's in his tenure with better talent Jacot has had yet Jacot won a chip this year. Hammond will never win a VC because, outside of scripting his first 15 plays, he hasn't shown the ability to actually adjust after his first 15, I know this because I coached against him and watched lots of him on his teams. You sure like to defend Hammond, who didn't have early success, then had a good run although didn't win a VC, yet want to criticize Jacot who had admin against him once Giordano wanted to coach. Hammond never had to deal with that until later on into his tenure.
Yes Jacot was "offered" too much to pass up and I can tell you Jacot was offered before Hughes was offered and I have direct knowledge of that. Hence why North came back to Jacot and gave him everything he wanted and needed and much more, which then he accepted.
How can you defend Hammond when he chocked in the playoffs as high seeds??? How can you not have talent and make it to a VC game and be seeded high??? You must Hammond a lot to be defending him like this, your bias is clearly showing dude.
I'm actually indifferent to Hammond. I know of him, and know of his record, but we've never met. I just find it odd that you think he was so unsuccessful or should have won a VC or two. That's a heck of an assumption, much like your assumption that Jacot "would have won at Buchanan". I mean, he was 16-15 at Rancho and I believe under .500 at Orange Lu. Not gonna look that up just going off memory so I could be wrong I guess. It's not like he had a history of winning......
I never said Clovis didn't have talent, I said they didn't have "as much" talent as perhaps you, the Clovis AD at the time, and some of the parents thought they had. Their lack of athleticism really showed vs Central. They were always solid, but never spectacular. Throw in the fact that the wrestling coach hated sharing athletes and you get a lot of good, not great teams.
I was told a much different story from someone at the time who was in the interviews with Jacot and Hughes so one of us got the wrong info......
Quote from: tru guru on May 31, 2024, 02:54:26 PMI'm actually indifferent to Hammond. I know of him, and know of his record, but we've never met. I just find it odd that you think he was so unsuccessful or should have won a VC or two. That's a heck of an assumption, much like your assumption that Jacot "would have won at Buchanan". I mean, he was 16-15 at Rancho and I believe under .500 at Orange Lu. Not gonna look that up just going off memory so I could be wrong I guess. It's not like he had a history of winning......
I never said Clovis didn't have talent, I said they didn't have "as much" talent as perhaps you, the Clovis AD at the time, and some of the parents thought they had. Their lack of athleticism really showed vs Central. They were always solid, but never spectacular. Throw in the fact that the wrestling coach hated sharing athletes and you get a lot of good, not great teams.
I was told a much different story from someone at the time who was in the interviews with Jacot and Hughes so one of us got the wrong info......
I do get the wrestling coach not wanting to share athletes, I've been a part of that dynamic and it does suck, but you can't use that as a handicap when he's had years as being seeded really high and losing early and only getting to one VC. Those are facts and reality.
So, you believe that Jacot wouldn't have won, with that influx of talent at Buchanan coming in??? Come on now, the talent level at Buchanan, in terms of D1 guys, was way higher than this past North team. North was physically able to dominate the L.O.S. He would've done the same, except had guys to throw to outside.
Yeah, I'd check your sources because mine came directly from the source. And that source was Jacot.
Quote from: Pack Mentality on June 04, 2024, 09:16:01 AMI do get the wrestling coach not wanting to share athletes, I've been a part of that dynamic and it does suck, but you can't use that as a handicap when he's had years as being seeded really high and losing early and only getting to one VC. Those are facts and reality.
So, you believe that Jacot wouldn't have won, with that influx of talent at Buchanan coming in??? Come on now, the talent level at Buchanan, in terms of D1 guys, was way higher than this past North team. North was physically able to dominate the L.O.S. He would've done the same, except had guys to throw to outside.
Yeah, I'd check your sources because mine came directly from the source. And that source was Jacot.
Would that D1 talent have stayed or transferred in if not for Giordano? I'm not sure. They had Milton and his class in the pipeline, but guys like Jones and Cropper probably don't transfer in. That is definitely not a knock on Jacot. I believe his last year there he was 7-3 and tied for the TRAC championship. I just don't know if they have the same level of success.
They would have transferred wither way, it was a package deal by the trainer/handler.
Quote from: ExCoach on June 04, 2024, 10:39:45 AMWould that D1 talent have stayed or transferred in if not for Giordano? I'm not sure. They had Milton and his class in the pipeline, but guys like Jones and Cropper probably don't transfer in. That is definitely not a knock on Jacot. I believe his last year there he was 7-3 and tied for the TRAC championship. I just don't know if they have the same level of success.
This is what I was getting at. Jacot runs off a lot of kids who don't want to pound it in the weightroom. Not saying that any of those Buchanan kids Giordano won with wouldn't have bought into Jacot's program or transferred in, but we don't KNOW this......
Quote from: Pack Mentality on June 04, 2024, 09:16:01 AMI do get the wrestling coach not wanting to share athletes, I've been a part of that dynamic and it does suck, but you can't use that as a handicap when he's had years as being seeded really high and losing early and only getting to one VC. Those are facts and reality.
So, you believe that Jacot wouldn't have won, with that influx of talent at Buchanan coming in??? Come on now, the talent level at Buchanan, in terms of D1 guys, was way higher than this past North team. North was physically able to dominate the L.O.S. He would've done the same, except had guys to throw to outside.
Yeah, I'd check your sources because mine came directly from the source. And that source was Jacot.
Mine was on the interview panel. Not sure what he would gain by lying to me but he may have. It's possible that Jacot wouldn't admit he was second(or even third after the uncredentialed Cal Poly guy) choice as well. It is what it is, and worked out for CN.
are there any new developments about this job?? I would assume they are going to fly the job sometime after winter break??